21st century science v Medieval
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I think more care should be taken with the animals, I don't like cruelty to animals.
My mate was telling about a record sniper shot a few months ago,
http://youtu.be/eg7a7Q62-PM
My mate was telling about a record sniper shot a few months ago,
http://youtu.be/eg7a7Q62-PM
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The squaddies are out there putting their lives on the line, for what?
Why don't they go undercover here in the UK? All they have to do is go into a town, find a local pusher, torture him to discover who his suppliers are, then shoot him, pay his suppliers a visit, take their cash, torture them to see who their suppliers are, shoot them and continue doing this all the way to the top.. simples.
Why don't they go undercover here in the UK? All they have to do is go into a town, find a local pusher, torture him to discover who his suppliers are, then shoot him, pay his suppliers a visit, take their cash, torture them to see who their suppliers are, shoot them and continue doing this all the way to the top.. simples.
We joined sheriff Bush junior's posse to round up Osama Bin Laden (Al Qaeda) in the Tora Bora mountains 10 years ago, post 9/11. Eventually they did lynch him and administered swift dubious justice in Pakistan. The Taliban are not Al Qaeda. They have not so much as thrown a stone in Europe or the US, They are if you wish, primitive freedom fighters trying to rid their country of foreign invaders.
It could be argued that we are trying to implement regime change from a system of tribal warlords who met annually at the Durbar to decide policy, to a system of Western style central government headed by Mohamed Karzai, one of the most corrupt regimes on the planet. The Taliban will say " what right have we to interfere " ?
What we are trying to do is change a culture grounded in fundamental Islam. It is an impossible task, we should realise this and get out now. Have no doubt, when we do leave in 2015 the Karzai regime will collapse and things will go back to status quo.
Too many western military, and Afghan civilian lives have been lost, and too much money wasted in a hopeless attempt to change a national culture.
It could be argued that we are trying to implement regime change from a system of tribal warlords who met annually at the Durbar to decide policy, to a system of Western style central government headed by Mohamed Karzai, one of the most corrupt regimes on the planet. The Taliban will say " what right have we to interfere " ?
What we are trying to do is change a culture grounded in fundamental Islam. It is an impossible task, we should realise this and get out now. Have no doubt, when we do leave in 2015 the Karzai regime will collapse and things will go back to status quo.
Too many western military, and Afghan civilian lives have been lost, and too much money wasted in a hopeless attempt to change a national culture.
"why are we there"?
Are you people stupid and ignorant, it's well known why we are there and their are clear goals.
We toppled the Taliban government (which we should have), now we are staying to help the new government become established and to prevent the Taliban from regaining control.
A clearly defined goal.
People think we can't do that and are just wasting our time, those people are wrong, we can do it, except we are not willing to put the effort in (it could take 50 years).
Are you people stupid and ignorant, it's well known why we are there and their are clear goals.
We toppled the Taliban government (which we should have), now we are staying to help the new government become established and to prevent the Taliban from regaining control.
A clearly defined goal.
People think we can't do that and are just wasting our time, those people are wrong, we can do it, except we are not willing to put the effort in (it could take 50 years).
Lets face facts, I think most people on this forum will agree with me on this when I say, there is nothing in your head that makes any sense.
We've been fighting there on and off since Victorian times. Various nations have "had a go" there all with little success.
Many years ago I asked my dad about the lines in the Kipling poem:
"When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier."
He had been out on patrol on foot on the "North West Frontier" of India at the end of WWII, before partition. Similar terrain and people I believe. They were being shot at from neighbouring hills, and had to put people out in front to clear the hills and cover them. If they tried to engage the shooters they just melted away into the terrain.
He said he reckoned you could never win any sort of war there, and you wouldn't want to get caught on your own, as per the poem.
Many years ago I asked my dad about the lines in the Kipling poem:
"When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier."
He had been out on patrol on foot on the "North West Frontier" of India at the end of WWII, before partition. Similar terrain and people I believe. They were being shot at from neighbouring hills, and had to put people out in front to clear the hills and cover them. If they tried to engage the shooters they just melted away into the terrain.
He said he reckoned you could never win any sort of war there, and you wouldn't want to get caught on your own, as per the poem.
http://www.understandingwar.org/report/report-defining-success-afghanistan
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/frostovertheworld/2012/05/2012511164836933857.html
So we have a goal, and we are achieving that goal currently.
What, because it might take another 10-20 years before we know it's fully successful we start calling it a failure.
What, because Afghan hasn't turned into a shining beacon of democracy we also call it a failure.
So our troops are getting killed? In a warzone? Oh my!
No you can turn around and argue "Well I don't give a **** about afghan, and I don't want our troops shot there", fine, argue that, but don't be such an ignoramus as to argue "no one knows why we are there or what we are trying to achieve".
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