A Blatant Lie by BJ about Trade between NI and GB.

[Vinty]

I've said before, if you quote someone else to support your view, it's assumed that you agree with that which you have quoted.
If you don't or won't supply a source reference, it has to be assumed that you originated the comment.

The source was at the bottom of the original comment, or didn't you read that.

 

[Vinty]

I've said before, if you quote someone else to support your view, it's assumed that you agree with that which you have quoted.
If you don't or won't supply a source reference, it has to be assumed that you originated the comment.

The source was at the bottom of the original comment, or didn't you read that.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

The source was at the bottom of the original comment, or didn't you read that.

I did, and I wasn't referring to you about the lack of a reference.
The bit about you must be in agreement with the quote that you use to support your view very much applies to you.
But the bit about providing the source of your reference applies to others who resort to such silly comments as "take it up with he BBC", etc., when questioned about the source of their information.

 

[Vinty]

Interesting that each time UK sign a trade deal with another country, you interpret that as an alliance against EU.
You must feel immensely threatened by EU to consider seeking allies to form an opposition to EU.

The EU is now an existential threat to N. Ireland, a threat that must be removed.
By constitutional means of course.
The RoI must share the blame for this debacle, they blarnied the EU into this trap by showing them pictures of blown up customs posts.

 

[ajohn]

Does this illustrate their ability to assess situations logically?

There was very little logic all round. Plenty of catchy sound bites in the direction to get us out. Many xenophobic noises from a variety of brexit people - we won the war got me - yes with help. The constitution when we are a country that doesn't have one. They will want to sell us BMW's got me, 'cause they will and the people who buy new ones still will anyway what ever. Then the wonderful NHS TV advert. That one got me so changed my car and saved a lot. It also struck me that taxation loss from some sectors could easily wipe a lot of the savings out and then the fact that some comes back anyway. The Welsh immediately screamed were are we going to get our chunk of that from when we are out. It goes all over the place, but probably not the SE.

Then people. Many talked about it and some reasons for out were rather feeble. The vote age spread for out was interesting. It indicates people who recollect the 70's+ but were not working at the time or for a fairly short period also some that were working but didn't realise why things changed. Blaming the EU is frankly stupid. The reason is simple.It's called business. Then there are some that just voted out for no particular reason at all. That's a protest vote.

Notice the older people comment. This is the Gov's thoughts on the result. There will be some in that age group that will vote out for rather indirect reasons. I know a few. Some go in the kids need a wake up call direction. There will be people in all age groups who will think the rabble need a wake up call. Many traditional Tory supporters do. They are generally ok so everybody else should be to. Especially older ones and the young seem to have similar thoughts.

Political noises. Trade deals with emerging markets in the east. They seem to have emerged already to me and the biggest market is easily China. What can we offer any of them? Charity needed to support people who are having a hard time as they used to long ago.Bring back the poor house maybe?

Prior to this chats on TV with political advisor types. A back to the 30's type,. Well zero hour contracts do that. Then look at what a particular country does and they are fine. Interesting one but there set up is relatively new and is beginning to have problems. Lastly a Harvard business professor bought over for cross party talks. Behind this seems to be a lack of jobs and the wrong attitude but also how to get people to take jobs that they don't want rather than using immigrants and why are some countries businesses more successful than ours.

The ERG etc were a little surprised that they won and thought they would need to do it again. 2nd referendum. No doubt we would still be in. The out margin was less than a couple of % according to reports.

I voted remain on balance largely as I think it was the best option for the majority of people and changes wont do anything about the problems ex powers such as us most of europe and the usa are having. Maybe it will over time if we become rather cheap people. China will get more expensive as countries always do at their stage of development so that their people can buy more. Maybe not this one though due to how it's governed and all of the raw materials that have.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Friction has been building between the EU and Switzerland for the last 2 or 3 years as a result of EU trying to impose more control over Switzerland. Last year, by way of retaliation after the EU withdrew financial equivalence, Switzerland ruled that Swiss owned shares may only be traded in Switzerland. I suspect background talks over financial equivalence between UK and Switzerland started then, makes sense.

If the EU spent more time sorting out their own problems rather than trying to ***k over everybody else, they might just have a small chance of survival.

The disagreements between EU and Switzerland stems from a long way back, and from the very same stance that UK have taken:

This seems in line with the Commission’s argument following the Swiss rejection of the EEA that “it would be inappropriate for Switzerland to obtain all the advantages of an Agreement which it has rejected”.
https://www.ceps.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/1304.pdf
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If you reject an Agreement, but want to retain all the benefits, then friction will ensue.

As Chris Patten said:

They enjoyed all the enhanced sovereignty that comes with staying at home while the decisions that intimately affect their own economic life are made by their neighbours in Brussels. We put a diplomatic gloss on it of course. But to enjoy our markets, they have to follow our rules; rules that they do not make or share in making....
Same link as above.​

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

The EU is now an existential threat to N. Ireland, a threat that must be removed.
By constitutional means of course.
The RoI must share the blame for this debacle, they blarnied the EU into this trap by showing them pictures of blown up customs posts.

Brexit and only Brexit, something which DUP openly and actively supported, is the sole existential threat to the unity of UK.

Blame others and anything else if you wish, but you are denying that Brexit has brought the UK closer to disunity, despite the persistent warnings from just about every other quarter of UK and abroad.

Despite your claim that the RoI is to blame for your choice in the referendum, RoI are well known for not wanting Brexit.

 

[Vinty]

The bit about you must be in agreement with the quote that you use to support your view very much applies to you

What view? I don't have a view any more than the original author of the piece had a view.
I was merely posting a historical fact to show what happens large political entities like the EU try to subvert democracy.
I wasn't expressing any particular point of view.

 

[Vinty]

Brexit and only Brexit, something which DUP openly and actively supported, is the sole existential threat to the unity of UK.

Blame others and anything else if you wish, but you are denying that Brexit has brought the UK closer to disunity, despite the persistent warnings from just about every other quarter of UK and abroad.

Despite your claim that the RoI is to blame for your choice in the referendum, RoI are well known for not wanting Brexit.

It was the EU who demanded a border and to be fair it was Boris Johnson who agreed to it.
This border has the potential to destroy the N. I., economy.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Trade deals with emerging markets in the east.

UK could prosper from the merging markets in the east while in the EU.
Indeed, they would have been in a more advantaged position to do so.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

It was the EU who demanded a border and to be fair it was Boris Johnson who agreed to it.
This border has the potential to destroy the N. I., economy.

No Brexit, no border. Simples.
You can't have a Brexit (BJ's version) without a border somewhere.
Where do you think it should be?

 

[Vinty]

Prior to this chats on TV with political advisor types. A back to the 30's type,. Well zero hour contracts do that

The Tories want to go back further than the 30s, they want to reintroduce good old Victorian values like rickets and workhouses.
They could even change building regulations to allow the construction of wider chimneys so that kids can climb up them to get work experience.

 

[Vinty]

No Brexit, no border. Simples.
You can't have a Brexit (BJ's version) without a border somewhere.
Where do you think it should be?

On the border of the UK/RoI.

 

[Notch7]

The EU is now an existential threat to N. Ireland, a threat that must be removed

Q = Was there a threat before Brexit?
A = No

So Brexit is an existential threat to N I not EU


Brexiters are utterly incapable of taking responsibility for their actions

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

The Tories want to go back further than the 30s, they want to reintroduce good old Victorian values like rickets and workhouses.
They could even change building regulations to allow the construction of wider chimneys so that kids can climb up them to get work experience.

The Tories avidly supported by DUP?