A brexit bonus

[fillyboy]

Which is exactly what you are doing - you are saying that a labour shortage which drives up rates of pay is a good thing. But of course that means that you must equally applaud market forces doing their thing when a excess of labour drives wages down to poverty levels.

There is no 'labour shortage', there are millions of people who want to work for a decent wage, why are you opposed to that?

 

[Captain Nemesis]

There is no 'labour shortage'

So if there is no competition for jobs, and no excess of potential employees which can be exploited by employers, why are they paying more?

there are millions of people who want to work for a decent wage, why are you opposed to that?

Im not - Im strongly in favour.

What Im opposed to are taxpayers subsidising the profits of businesses because they pay such shockingly poor wages that people in work have to also be paid benefits.

 

[fillyboy]

So if there is no competition for jobs, and no excess of potential employees which can be exploited by employers, why are they paying more?

Quite simply because the level of remuneration for the job is simply not worth the effort, the greedy employers are being told to **** off and quite rightly so.

Im not - Im strongly in favour.

What Im opposed to are taxpayers subsidising the profits of businesses because they pay such shockingly poor wages that people in work have to also be paid benefits.

Exactly., and hopefully that situation will slowly reverse.

How many employers paid minimum wage after carefully explaining to their employees that by earning 'minimum wage', they would be entitled to claim 'in work benefits' which would elevate them '3 points' above the minimum wage, but if they paid them '1 point' above the minimum wage, they wouldn't be eligible to claim that 'in work benefit'.

Look, the minimum wage sounds great in principal, but it sets a really low bar which employers love, hence the introduction of the 'living wage', which in reality is barely slightly less s**t. This is why CEO's earn 100's of times more than the general workers today as opposed to 10 times more in the 70's (which at the time was deemed shocking by the unions)

 

[ellal]

What Im opposed to are taxpayers subsidising the profits of businesses because they pay such shockingly poor wages that people in work have to also be paid benefits.

Indeed...

Tax credits should be renamed 'corporate welfare'!

Meanwhile massive bonuses are still being paid to the bosses along with shareholder dividends, whilst we've just seen the biggest hike in taxes since the 1970's for ordinary working people...

So where is that brexit bonus?

And the provision of social care has nothing to do with the 'virus', which of course brexiteers now claim is the root of all our ills !

 

[motorbiking]

which ignores the fact demand for workers in many sectors has outstripped UK supply of workers for decades

and it is untrue -there is such thing as the minimum wage, so its not supply versus demand

There seem to be plenty of people - https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentan...etypes/bulletins/employmentintheuk/august2021

 

[Captain Nemesis]

... 'virus' ...

Stop lying.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

Quite simply because the level of remuneration for the job is simply not worth the effort, the greedy employers are being told to **** off and quite rightly so.

For "being told to **** off" to work to raise pay there needs to be, even if not a shortage of labour, a tightening of supply.

Otherwise the response to "being told to **** off", is "suit yourself - theres plenty of people out there looking for work".

 

[ellal]

Stop lying.

Lying about what?

 

[Captain Nemesis]

About the existence of the Covid-19 virus.

 

[Notch7]

There is no 'labour shortage', there are millions of people who want to work for a decent wage, why are you opposed to that?

there is a labour shortage

CBI says:


Grim forecast for UK business investment amid supply and labour shortages

 

[Notch7]

There seem to be plenty of people - https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentan...etypes/bulletins/employmentintheuk/august2021

you are being deliberately dishonest

you fully understand that those listed as unemployed do not equal suitable candidates for the jobs market.

 

[Notch7]

The UK has enjoyed just in time, highly integrated supply chains as an EU member

Supermarkets could face 'permanent shortages', expert warns
Ian Wright, chief executive of the Food and Drink Federation, says the days of 'being able to get anything' from major UK supermarkets are over

 

[Notch7]

Look, the minimum wage sounds great in principal, but it sets a really low bar which employers love, hence the introduction of the 'living wage', which in reality is barely slightly less s**t. This is why CEO's earn 100's of times more than the general workers today as opposed to 10 times more in the 70's (which at the time was deemed shocking by the unions)

hey Filly, have you worked out the massive inequality that voting Tory all your life has created

well done for realising EU migrants are not the root of the problem: its UK neo liberalism, that started with Thatcher.

 

[Notch7]

Exactly., and hopefully that situation will slowly reverse

No

Brexit and this right wing populist government will only increase inequality.

the increase in NI contributions is going to go straight to the NHS which will get fed into private healthcare contracts....leading back into Tory MPs pockets

 

[Notch7]

There is no 'labour shortage', there are millions of people who want to work for a decent wage, why are you opposed to that?

there is a labour shortage.


The farm to fork supply chain is missing around half a million of the four million people that usually work in the sector.

Part of this will have come from EU nationals leaving the UK amid the pandemic and Brexit, he said.

Many businesses have reported huge issues in their supply chains in recent months, leaving some shop shelves empty, or forcing restaurants to remove items from their menus.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...rkets-could-face-permanent-shortages-21542807