Abortion
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I've had a bit of a hunt and can't find statistics for crimes committed that turn out to have been committed by illegal immigrants so any link would be useful but, at a guess, I would say that if you have spent your life savings on being smuggled into the country in a hollowed out fuel-tank, or spent several hours clinging to the bottom of a Eurostar with your nose a few inches from the sleepers, the last thing you are going to do is draw attention to yourself by committing a crime and have the police come looking for you.
You later mention 'ethnic crime' which is entirely different.
For the record, legal immigrants, illegal immigrants, refugees (or asylum seekers) and british nationals with foreign parents are all distinct groups with different issues affecting each one, so it would be useful to try and be clear which ones the various threads on the subject are referring to.
None of which is about abortion so, back to your original question - One in Three sounds a bit high to me too. I wonder if the statistics have been made more emotive by including morning-after pills and maybe even miscarriages as well ?
You later mention 'ethnic crime' which is entirely different.
For the record, legal immigrants, illegal immigrants, refugees (or asylum seekers) and british nationals with foreign parents are all distinct groups with different issues affecting each one, so it would be useful to try and be clear which ones the various threads on the subject are referring to.
None of which is about abortion so, back to your original question - One in Three sounds a bit high to me too. I wonder if the statistics have been made more emotive by including morning-after pills and maybe even miscarriages as well ?
According to the BBC website
"Cardinal Murphy-O'Connor will call on ministers to lower the 24-week abortion limit.
The latest figures show more 185,000 abortions were carried out in 2004, but only 124 were carried out at 24 weeks."
"More than 180,000 women in England and Wales had terminations in 2003, and a further 9,100 were carried out on non-residents.
Less than 2% of those were performed between 20 and 24 weeks.
More than 12,000 were carried out in Scotland in the same year. "
Some of these may have been women from other countries who can't be treated in their home country, for example Ireland and parts of Italy.
If we guess that there are about 30,000,000 females in the UK, and they are potentially fertile between the ages of 14 and 54, and live for 80 years (an estimate to make the calculation easier), that seems to mean that (54-14=40 fertile years out of 80) at any particular year 1 in 2 of them is potentially fertile. So by my simplified numbers that would be 15,000,000 fertile women, of whom allegedly one in three have an abortion at some time in their 40 years
I suppose we should expect that if 1 in 3 of them had just one abortion, during her 40 fertile years, that would be 15,000,000 divided by 40 = there would be about 375,000 abortions per year.
However I understand that some women have no abortions, and some have more than one, so I am not yet convinced that one in three of the female population has one or more abortions during her life. Thank god that liberalisation of the abortion laws has almost brought an end to the pernicious trade of the back-street abortionist.
It looks to me as if the "one in three women" is a gross exaggeration; because (1) there are only half as many abortions as that would imply, and (2) some women have multiple abortions.
I know that one of the Catholic cardinals was talking on the subject recently, I do not know if he expressed his arguments accurately and clearly.
My calculations may be incorrect, who would like to spot an error?
(edited at 13:31, I have spotted and corrected some myself)
"Cardinal Murphy-O'Connor will call on ministers to lower the 24-week abortion limit.
The latest figures show more 185,000 abortions were carried out in 2004, but only 124 were carried out at 24 weeks."
"More than 180,000 women in England and Wales had terminations in 2003, and a further 9,100 were carried out on non-residents.
Less than 2% of those were performed between 20 and 24 weeks.
More than 12,000 were carried out in Scotland in the same year. "
Some of these may have been women from other countries who can't be treated in their home country, for example Ireland and parts of Italy.
If we guess that there are about 30,000,000 females in the UK, and they are potentially fertile between the ages of 14 and 54, and live for 80 years (an estimate to make the calculation easier), that seems to mean that (54-14=40 fertile years out of 80) at any particular year 1 in 2 of them is potentially fertile. So by my simplified numbers that would be 15,000,000 fertile women, of whom allegedly one in three have an abortion at some time in their 40 years
I suppose we should expect that if 1 in 3 of them had just one abortion, during her 40 fertile years, that would be 15,000,000 divided by 40 = there would be about 375,000 abortions per year.
However I understand that some women have no abortions, and some have more than one, so I am not yet convinced that one in three of the female population has one or more abortions during her life. Thank god that liberalisation of the abortion laws has almost brought an end to the pernicious trade of the back-street abortionist.
It looks to me as if the "one in three women" is a gross exaggeration; because (1) there are only half as many abortions as that would imply, and (2) some women have multiple abortions.
I know that one of the Catholic cardinals was talking on the subject recently, I do not know if he expressed his arguments accurately and clearly.
My calculations may be incorrect, who would like to spot an error?
(edited at 13:31, I have spotted and corrected some myself)
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Apparently, somewhere between 1 in 4 and 1 in 5 pregnancies ends in abortion, so given that not 100% of women ever get pregnant, then there can't be 1 in 3 women having had abortions.
Having said that, the fraction of pregnancies ending in abortion does seem higher than I would expect which leads me to question what is counted, especially whether the use of the morning-after pill and miscarriages are in there.
EDIT: I've double-checked and that figure does seem to be in the main, 'proper' abortions.
Having said that, the fraction of pregnancies ending in abortion does seem higher than I would expect which leads me to question what is counted, especially whether the use of the morning-after pill and miscarriages are in there.
EDIT: I've double-checked and that figure does seem to be in the main, 'proper' abortions.
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2004 185,000 legal abortions -- 17 per 1,000 resident women.
2004 639,700 births.
639.7 / 185 = 3.46
I guess that means for every 3.46 births there was an abortion.
The abortion quantity represents the 'known' occurances, there will have been more.
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2004 639,700 births.
639.7 / 185 = 3.46
I guess that means for every 3.46 births there was an abortion.
The abortion quantity represents the 'known' occurances, there will have been more.
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JohnD said:
I didn't, the figures are from that place one gets such stuff...
From: http://www.dh.gov.uk/assetRoot/04/11/75/74/04117574.pdf
mlb3c said:
I hang it so the paper is hanging over the front. I dunno, the other way just seems 'common'. It's surely easier to grab if it is hanging over the front rather than close to he wall.
And sometimes I fold a 'V' in it when we have people coming to stay just to freak them out. Sometimes they even put it back in.
I have observed all of this.
johnny_t said:
Oh yeah, I never thought of that. Good point.
What about an inside-out toilet roll then, how does that affect you? You know, where one of the layers is separated and comes back round, and then the adjacent sheets are 'off-kilter'?
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