Advice on insulation under new flat rubber roof please :) pics added

[frutbunn]

Its a grey area. I agree a totally solid roof on a conservatory makes it subject to B regs in theory, but clearly the LA aren't interested as there are now thousands of companies offering solid roof conversions.

It's academic anyway since it's unlikely a conservatory structure could be made compliant....it certainly wouldn't be worth the aggravation.

LAs will accept orangeries, even with small lanterns to be exempt. So you don't need a full clear roof at all.

None of the LA's I have worked for will accept an orangery as exempt nor have any where I submit my guvvy work.
As for the Co's advertising they do this work, some have LABC type approval others submit an app for each individual scheme, however there are others who claim it is exempt this included a co based in the LA area where I used to work, we were just waiting for a solicitors enquiry or neighbour complaint for one of these schemes, I also know that another LA were taken them to task in the Midlands as one of their BCO's had contacted me to see what I knew about the Co.

 

[frutbunn]

Spoke to roofer, he said they didn't used 6x2 as trying to keep weight down as most of the wall is windows and will be using noggins to secure the current joists to together

In 38 years of building control I have to say that is the most stupid ridiculous thing I have heard to date!!!

 

[sean oc]

Hmmm yeah I am not convinced. he said he has done this a few times, and on garages with same timber etc and they are fine. He guarantees his work and will come back if any issues occur

Think my best is to ask him to add some large joists like 145x45 next to some of the existing ones and use these large ones to fit my plasterboard to when i do the ceiling? i could add a 145x45 every 2nd joist approx and could use this to fit 1.2 x 900 plastboards is that makes sense?

 

[frutbunn]

Hmmm yeah I am not convinced. he said he has done this a few times, and on garages with same timber etc and they are fine. He guarantees his work and will come back if any issues occur

Think my best is to ask him to add some large joists like 145x45 next to some of the existing ones and use these large ones to fit my plasterboard to when i do the ceiling? i could add a 145x45 every 2nd joist approx and could use this to fit 1.2 x 900 plastboards is that makes sense?

The plasterboard will sag it needs doing on every joist.

 

[sean oc]

The plasterboard will sag it needs doing on every joist.

very true didnt think of that

Nightmare this, I wanted to pay someone to do it so I don't have to stress about it myself
Cheers

 

[sean oc]

Could i re jig and buy a window and frame up each side to give some more support to the roof?
Some basic pics to show windows and some frame work?

 

[Mw Roofline]

Id just carry on with the builders, let them finish it. You haven't got any kind of permission for what you've done so far so live with it for 3 or 4 years and then knock the whole thing to the ground and not get 37 quotes and go for the cheapest and instead re-do it properly going through all the right channels and using builders who know what they are doing.

Re your post the extra windows etc isn't going to stop the centre of the roof sagging.

 

[Notch7]

None of the LA's I have worked for will accept an orangery as exempt

Ive not found that to be the case around my area of Sussex / Surrey -I email the relevant LA with drawings and ask them this:

"I'm building an orangery for a client as per attached drawing, it is substantially glazed, it will be thermally separate from the house and have its own heating system.
Please can you confirm if you consider this project will be classed as exempt".

And each time I've had that confirmed, in writing by email. I always tell the client they have to take responsibility as to whether they accept that as sufficient proof.

 

[sean oc]

Id just carry on with the builders, let them finish it. You haven't got any kind of permission for what you've done so far so live with it for 3 or 4 years and then knock the whole thing to the ground and not get 37 quotes and go for the cheapest and instead re-do it properly going through all the right channels and using builders who know what they are doing.

Re your post the extra windows etc isn't going to stop the centre of the roof sagging.

I've stopped them working now and asked them not to continue - had to argue a fair bit with them, promised to rectify it but I'm not having it id rather find some one else. Promised some money back over the next 3 weeks.
They had 3.2k and i requested 1.5k back which i think is fair so he's kept 1.8k - he still thinks 1.5k is too much to give back when i really need to start all over again! He said hes paid the lads to do it and they refuse to give him the labour money back for the poor work hes at bigger loss. Personally though i dont believe that's my issue now as hes paid the lads for the job under his company name and that is an issue for him to resolve.

Will have to see if i get any cash back in the coming week like he promised. he was persistent on finishing it off himself and not using the same lads so he wasnt not walking away and giving some money back. i just want t cut ties now the trusts gone now and get some cash back to resolve it.

He brought a conservatory expert round who said its an easy fix, acro it up, nock brick pier down, use timber to support it in the corner rather than brick, then use timber 'wall plates' on top of the windows to support it all. and he said the current joists are no problem it wont cause an issue. I wasnt convinced thats a proper fix from comments here and on other forums.

 

[sean oc]

In 38 years of building control I have to say that is the most stupid ridiculous thing I have heard to date!!!

I had a 'proper' builder and roofer for 40 years in the trade come and look, his face was enough to realise how bad it was when it came to look!!
Thanks for the help with other posts etc, im not builder but i knew it wasn't right, this was the quickest way to get some answers form people in the know.

 

[Notch7]

I've stopped them working now and asked them not to continue - had to argue a fair bit with them, promised to rectify it but I'm not having it id rather find some one else. Promised some money back over the next 3 weeks.
They had 3.2k and i requested 1.5k back which i think is fair so he's kept 1.8k - he still thinks 1.5k is too much to give back when i really need to start all over again! He said hes paid the lads to do it and they refuse to give him the labour money back for the poor work hes at bigger loss. Personally though i dont believe that's my issue now as hes paid the lads for the job under his company name and that is an issue for him to resolve.

Will have to see if i get any cash back in the coming week like he promised. he was persistent on finishing it off himself and not using the same lads so he wasnt not walking away and giving some money back. i just want t cut ties now the trusts gone now and get some cash back to resolve it.

He brought a conservatory expert round who said its an easy fix, acro it up, nock brick pier down, use timber to support it in the corner rather than brick, then use timber 'wall plates' on top of the windows to support it all. and he said the current joists are no problem it wont cause an issue. I wasnt convinced thats a proper fix from comments here and on other forums.

That's a reasonable outcome provided he refunds you the money.....really he should be giving all the money back.

Thank goodness you stopped them now. The work they've done is not fit for purpose, it's been done by total muppets that are clueless.

 

[sean oc]

That's a reasonable outcome provided he refunds you the money.....really he should be giving all the money back.

Thank goodness you stopped them now. The work they've done is not fit for purpose, it's been done by total muppets that are clueless.

Yeah I know the builder who come round said you want it all back, I know for a fact it wont happen i am trying to be fair to the bloke as he didn't do the work but the lads he got it in did and he should of checked the work etc. so I think 1,500 back was being fair with him even though he isn't happy about it .. so time will tell if i get it back, ill know by Friday when he promised £500.

he is baffled why i wont let him fix it? the trust is gone totally. he said the other lads wont come which i know it i will be him coming back but that's a no go for me. Had to be quite firm with them as they just kept talking and repeating themselves and said they will check the legal side of things to see were they stand etc etc.

Such a headache i don't need working 75 hour weeks at the moment and this is the hassle is not what i need on top of that! but i appreciate all the comments on here, between you guys and other people taking a look i knew it was time to quit with them guys

 

[Mw Roofline]

Well good luck let’s hope he gives you some more cash back and these things happen. At least you a lot more clued up now.

 

[sean oc]

Update guys

Got the money back of the fella and got someone else in and nearly glazed now.

They have built a pillar and tied in all the roof properly. They fitted 5x2 along side the old ones as it was alot of work to remove all the old joists as was all in situ

My question is whats by best solution wise now for cold roof insulation as alot more joists than needed so board is going to be a pain to cut and fit in. Am I best with a wool type insulation and leaving a good 50mm sir gap above it to roof and then just using foil back plaster board for a vapour barrier

Cheers for any advice

 

[sean oc]

or could use some wool type insulation and leave a gap, and throw up some insulating plasterboard on the ceiling