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You get sillier by the post. You are too busy posting on here to do anything constructive. 32 pages - I'm gonna have to laff -hahahahaahha
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You get sillier by the post. You are too busy posting on here to do anything constructive. 32 pages - I'm gonna have to laff -hahahahaahha
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norwich unions take on 2004 edition en regulations.
http://www.nu-riskservices.co.uk/pd...2-europeanintruderalarmstandardsv1amended.pdf
Im not wishing to get involved but there needs to be more fact in these posts than personal and incorrect opinion.
There are courses purly for risk assesment. In the days of 4737 this ra was purly to aid the designer, this has now as im sure you are all aware changed and it must be documented in a certain way and the report kept.
But this is for pro installers, not DIY systems. The requirement of grading on diy installs is a whole different topic and one which i will avoid, but to comply with the current and in force regulations (im meaning a proper professional) the RA is not optional. ALso every design is different depending upon many many factors, there is no one size fits all type system.
http://www.nu-riskservices.co.uk/pd...2-europeanintruderalarmstandardsv1amended.pdf
Im not wishing to get involved but there needs to be more fact in these posts than personal and incorrect opinion.
There are courses purly for risk assesment. In the days of 4737 this ra was purly to aid the designer, this has now as im sure you are all aware changed and it must be documented in a certain way and the report kept.
But this is for pro installers, not DIY systems. The requirement of grading on diy installs is a whole different topic and one which i will avoid, but to comply with the current and in force regulations (im meaning a proper professional) the RA is not optional. ALso every design is different depending upon many many factors, there is no one size fits all type system.
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quite right too - except this case the O/P wants a pro system fitting and is been advised by the village idiot - its a recipe for disaster
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Every design is the same, for heavens sake, 3 or 4 PIrs covering downstairs rooms and landing. Door contact front and back - that's the way it's done - live with it. All you are doing is pretending that you are doing something important - well you're not - it's a fancy automatic doorbell that is simply wired up. It's child's play. You fit doorbells for a living.
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Im hoping we can have a decent chat about this.
Yes id agree that the majority of 3 up 3 down have on average, a hallway sensor, lounge and dining and depending on RA then kitchen. Also front and maybe rear door. Then landing. But some have a study too, some have an additional sensor in the master bedroom or a vibration on the bath window etc etc.
Lots of variables. You dont buy and we dont sell a 3 bedroom house kit. You design a system after a Risk assesment.
Your quite right too, audible alarms are glorified doorbells, complying to the relevant standard etc.
But again im talking pro and approved systems not diy. But even diy systems do a Risk assesment its part of the design process, ie do we cover the garage etc. You will do it yourself, but you may not be documenting it. YOu do the RA when you see the place and decide what rooms your putting your 3 sensors in.
Im hoping we can have a decent chat about this.
Yes id agree that the majority of 3 up 3 down have on average, a hallway sensor, lounge and dining and depending on RA then kitchen. Also front and maybe rear door. Then landing. But some have a study too, some have an additional sensor in the master bedroom or a vibration on the bath window etc etc.
Lots of variables. You dont buy and we dont sell a 3 bedroom house kit. You design a system after a Risk assesment.
Your quite right too, audible alarms are glorified doorbells, complying to the relevant standard etc.
But again im talking pro and approved systems not diy. But even diy systems do a Risk assesment its part of the design process, ie do we cover the garage etc. You will do it yourself, but you may not be documenting it. YOu do the RA when you see the place and decide what rooms your putting your 3 sensors in.
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A sensible post at last. Of course you take into account flat roofs and stuff like that, but generally it's pretty bog standard stuff. And yes that is a risk assessment.
BTW, did you know that in Nottingham the Police are advising a sensor in the loft as there are an increasing number of break-ins through the roof, kick a hole through the main bed ceiling, pinch the family jewels (makes your eyes water) and out again the same way. Is that country-wide?
BTW, did you know that in Nottingham the Police are advising a sensor in the loft as there are an increasing number of break-ins through the roof, kick a hole through the main bed ceiling, pinch the family jewels (makes your eyes water) and out again the same way. Is that country-wide?
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Contact Carlton Police Station. Was talking to a copper I know.
I thought you knew about risk assessment and grading? Seems you were pulling our legs.
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You'll find that's already covered in the RA.
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As a few have noticed when doing the ra a bungalow would be more at risk of this attack than a normal house unless easy access to the roof etc, but tbh id prefer the approach of protecting the roof where the valuables were than the loft but thats generalising. Lofts are very very hostile places.
But if it were a bungalow then master bed would probably be already protected.
There was a spate of breakins through windows of master beds and back out again, so sounds like a variation on that theme, but again the current trend (depending o the value and where stored) is now to also cover the master bed. Id say there was a good argument for master bed and study (spare room with lots of electronic gear pc, ipod, pda's etc) rather than landing now. But again thats why you do the RA.
System design is a topic all on its own, but modern sensors are less critical with mounting positions than previous generations so you can 'get away' with lot more with modern equipment.
Also the police advise that is not from the alarm inspectorate might not be 100% correct ie cpo's have been known to conflict with acpo policy etc.
DOnt suppose you have a leaflet or a website with the loft advise on do you?
As a few have noticed when doing the ra a bungalow would be more at risk of this attack than a normal house unless easy access to the roof etc, but tbh id prefer the approach of protecting the roof where the valuables were than the loft but thats generalising. Lofts are very very hostile places.
But if it were a bungalow then master bed would probably be already protected.
There was a spate of breakins through windows of master beds and back out again, so sounds like a variation on that theme, but again the current trend (depending o the value and where stored) is now to also cover the master bed. Id say there was a good argument for master bed and study (spare room with lots of electronic gear pc, ipod, pda's etc) rather than landing now. But again thats why you do the RA.
System design is a topic all on its own, but modern sensors are less critical with mounting positions than previous generations so you can 'get away' with lot more with modern equipment.
Also the police advise that is not from the alarm inspectorate might not be 100% correct ie cpo's have been known to conflict with acpo policy etc.
DOnt suppose you have a leaflet or a website with the loft advise on do you?
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No, I met a copper I used to train at the gym with and we got onto the subject after he mentioned lead theft from roofs in the area. Apparently there is a spate of such break-ins around here. It's pretty easy to slip a couple of wedges under a line of tiles and remove them like Carol Vordaman on her numbers game, then cut a couple of battens and you are in. Most of this crime is done by travellers that also specialise in roof repairs, so entry is no problem to them. Maybe it's a local thing. In my experience, the main bedroom is the hottest target area today, as you can buy a DVD for £20 at Asda so the lounge isn't the hottest target anymore. Cash and jewelery is also the easiest to remove, conceal and sell for a good profit on Ebay (not cash).
simple. . . nothing, there is no requirement to go back and change work done, im really sure customers would love you just turning up, oh hello mrs the iee have changed the regs sorry to say but your house no longer complies and im gonna charge you again to put it right, i dont think anyone but a cowboy would try that one.
Its like the mot tester coming back two months down the line and saying your mot is invalid because that windscreen wiper dos'nt wipe properly.
Its mainly about companies fleecing customers with maintenance contracts and legislation that is utter bollo*ks.
The difference between 240v and 12v is 240v kills thats why we have such regulations, do you fit your own supplies on your jobs ? Do you test the 240v installation ? Do you issue certification ? Are you part P qualified ? ( even though part p is bollo*ks, but thats a different arguement ).
Just because a sparky installs an alarm it dont mean that its of inferior quality or spec or badly installed, as i have said elswhere on this thread i have seen some very shoddy alarms installed by approved companies and before any one says yes i have seen downright dangerous electrical installations as well and picked up the pieces.
You just cant comprehend that in your tiny minds that i could do the job just as good as you .
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So why all the pointless ranting??
Nobody is fleecing anybody with regard to maintenance and contacts.
However, it could be argued, and often is, that those who don't fit a compliant/fit for purpose etc alarm are fleecing the customer. You compensate the customer when the insurer doesn't pay up??
No, i didn't think so.
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no - I was asking you to back up your sweeping statement that Notts police are advising a detector in the loft
turns out all it is is you were "talking to a copper...."
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