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I heard of a woman whose animal disobediently dodged off after being let go.

After catching it, she taught it a lesson by kicking it, whipping it, and hitting it in the face.

Is this really a good way to teach an animal to come back?

Apparently this is not "animal cruelty"

The woman considers herself to have been harshly treated by critics.

 
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She was cleared so according to the court, it wasn’t "animal cruelty". Apparently the trial only took place because of online bullies and self-appointed social commentators on internet forums.

 
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Is this really a good way to teach an animal to come back?

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I remember this from when it happened.

Lots of horsey folk in t'village, none considered it cruelty in the context of what actually happened.
 
Have you ever seen two horses 'fall out'? Considering the force behind a horses kick, that horse must have felt like it was being tickled. A mere admonishment at best. I’ve probably smacked my kids harder when they've run off into the road and narrowly avoided being run over.
 
Apparently this is not "animal cruelty"

The woman considers herself to have been harshly treated by critics.
It isn't cruelty in the context of a prolonged and sustained campaign of abuse and neglect.
 
I was more concerned at her "example" for her students to witness.

And that behaviour was a temper tantrum, not just admonishment.

I have long argued that when parents (or adults responsible for children) witness a near dangerous accident of the child (and it was on a road, wirh children present and horses running loose) the adult experiences shock just as much (or more than the child). This can lead to irrational behaviour from the adult toward the child and others present. Examples such as admonishing the child for nearly drowning, getting run over, etc.
This crazy behaviour towards the child increases the shock experience by the child and potentially adds to the risk.

Adults, witnessing such a potentially dangerous occurrence involving a child, need to calm down and act rationally. A temper tantrum just doesn't do it, and suggests the 'teacher' needs some additional training.
 
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So her life has been ruined ?

As I understand it she was on some fox hunting caper ?

Yep a fruit cake along with a a load of over like minded fruit cakes chasing a fox around the country side with a pack of dogs till it’s cornered or exhausted and than the dogs rip it apart

So to
Be honest I don’t care if her life has been ruined ( good)
 
Any one recall that Nigel benn v McClellan boxing match

We’re bye the Mclellan ended up brain damaged ??

Yep that McClellan was the bloke who was into dog fighting

This is the bloke who went to a dog rescue centre got a Labrador took it home taped its mouth up and let his pit bull rip it apart

Training for his fighting dog

Yep that’s the type of bloke he was
 
I'd be about 12 when my older cousin was moving a 2yr old colt from its stable to a home paddock. I was hanging around as I'd be mucking the stable out. This colt works out in its head that its on the way to the paddock & bolts in its own excitement, catching big cuz by surprise.

Have you ever tried to hang onto a 2yr old colt that has bolted?

Do you know just how powerful a 2yr old colt can be?

It's a juvenile, it doesn't yet know how to behave & its full of hormones. It's 'unbroken'. Do you know why they call it breaking a horse?

It was throwing him around like a rag doll as he clung onto those reins, he was screaming at me to grab them to add some weight, but the colt was kicking out with its rear hooves to keep me away. I knew if the colt got loose it would probably die, I knew if my cousin held on much longer he would probably die also. Grandad was the first to arrive & he wasn't going near those rear hooves either, he just grabbed a whip & set about thrashing the colt. The colt had already seen a bit of whip, its part of the training, & it soon calmed down enuff for grandad to take over the reins & take control that colt.

Do any of you know anything about horses & how to treat them, or do you just hate the type of folk who do?
 
Most of the people have never owned a horse, and as the above post sometimes they need a bit of chastisement to let them know who is the boss because a willfull horse can be a danger to themselves other horses and people
 
Joseph Donnely (AKA Tom Cruise) showed that unbroken horse, in Far & Away.

As folk have said on here, larger beast are not particularly bothered by human 'beatings' although a riding crop can be a bit of a leveller.
 
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I'd be about 12 when my older cousin was moving a 2yr old colt from its stable to a home paddock. I was hanging around as I'd be mucking the stable out. This colt works out in its head that its on the way to the paddock & bolts in its own excitement, catching big cuz by surprise.

Have you ever tried to hang onto a 2yr old colt that has bolted?

Do you know just how powerful a 2yr old colt can be?

It's a juvenile, it doesn't yet know how to behave & its full of hormones. It's 'unbroken'. Do you know why they call it breaking a horse?

It was throwing him around like a rag doll as he clung onto those reins, he was screaming at me to grab them to add some weight, but the colt was kicking out with its rear hooves to keep me away. I knew if the colt got loose it would probably die, I knew if my cousin held on much longer he would probably die also. Grandad was the first to arrive & he wasn't going near those rear hooves either, he just grabbed a whip & set about thrashing the colt. The colt had already seen a bit of whip, its part of the training, & it soon calmed down enuff for grandad to take over the reins & take control that colt.

Do any of you know anything about horses & how to treat them, or do you just hate the type of folk who do?
Corporal punishment needs to be measured, commensurate, rational and calmly used.

I too, have a fair amount of experience with, on and around horses, and I too have seen 'experienced riders' temper tantrums.
On one hack, the 'experienced' stable girl's horse refused to go down a lane. There was nothing wrong with the lane, it just decided it didn't want to go down that lane. Instead, despite the girl wrestling with the reins and kicking it, it insisted on trying to mount an 8 foot high embankment. The rider was giving it hell with the whip on its backside.
Now whip a hourse on its backside, and it will go forward, or try to, irrespctive of what's in its way, i.e. further up the embankment. A calm measured approach would have been to use the whip lightly on the horse's shoulder. Or even just show the whip to the horse. They recognise whips, and respond to the sight of the whip.
A calm measured approach would have been like the next example.

On another occasion, crossing a bridge over a motorway, and the local rider, who knew the way, their horse refused to go over the bridge,. So the local rider asked someone else to go first. someone else did so, and calmly crossed the bridge. followed by every one else, without any fuss.
On another similar occcasion, different bridge, we rode across in two's, side by side. far less stressful on the horse.

Similarly, when excercising race horses, they know a noisy crowd means they'll be off and running very soon, and they're getting all excited, they can't stand still. So you don't try to make them, you walk them round in circles. Try to make a horse stand still under those conditions and it might well decide to go on its own, without you.

Horses don't have rational thoughts, humans are supposed to, and we need to bear that in mind whenever dealing with horses.
 
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