Another innocent Murdered!

Scumbags like these wouldn't last 5 minutes in the Army the way they are. They're not big and they're not clever and they sure as h*ll ain't hard. It'd be more appropriate to superglue a white feather to their foreheads cos they're all basically cowards.
It wouldn't be long before they were wetting themselves and crying like babies for their mum :LOL:
 
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I couldn't put it any better than joinerjohn, get rid of this ridiculous human rights act, end groups such as "liberty" and punish criminals to the full extent of the law.

There is no discipline anymore and this is probably due to parents simply not having the time to spend with their children anymore to teach them respect and values. They have no respect for peoples feelings, property or right to be left alone and this sort of behaviour will only speed up the process of social justice coming about.

These kids are just lacking all forms of common sense, a lad who lives over the road from me found a half used tin of blue paint next to a neighbours bin and decided he could put it to good use by throwing it all over the garages behind my house?! this same tw*t was sitting at the bus stop and hitting the ground with a golf putter?? the parents must have been able to hear the bloody racket this lad was making but just sit indoors drinking stella and ignoring his wrong doing :evil:

I think that the parents of the children who cause this trouble should be the ones who are punished, if the child knows that their parents will face the consequences of their actions they may think twice before breaking peoples property and generally being unpleasant little b*stards.
 
I couldn't put it any better than joinerjohn, get rid of this ridiculous human rights act, end groups such as "liberty" and punish criminals to the full extent of the law.

There is no discipline anymore and this is probably due to parents simply not having the time to spend with their children anymore to teach them respect and values. They have no respect for peoples feelings, property or right to be left alone and this sort of behaviour will only speed up the process of social justice coming about.

I think thats more to do with the war on family values that labour has conduted in the last 14 years, combined with there obsession with promoting single parents and homosexuality as viable alternatives, its simply undermined massively the morality of we had in the 1960's.


These kids are just lacking all forms of common sense, a lad who lives over the road from me found a half used tin of blue paint next to a neighbours bin and decided he could put it to good use by throwing it all over the garages behind my house?! this same tw*t was sitting at the bus stop and hitting the ground with a golf putter?? the parents must have been able to hear the bloody racket this lad was making but just sit indoors drinking stella and ignoring his wrong doing :evil:

I think that the parents of the children who cause this trouble should be the ones who are punished, if the child knows that their parents will face the consequences of their actions they may think twice before breaking peoples property and generally being unpleasant little b*stards.

The problem is the state has removed your right to be responsible for your kids. If yo uactually tried to control kids in the way kids were controlled in the 60's, you woudl have child protection onto you. Having removed your ability to control your kids, the state offers no alternative, effectively giving kids the right to do what they like. Combine that with the nonsensical concept of 'childrens rights', and you have kids who can do what they like, protected by the law.

This whole looney left PC concept that everything and its dog has 'rights' is the crap thats at the heart of it. It utterly fails to recognise that rights carry responsibilities, and that rights have to be earned with a reciprocal amount of responsibility, and further more 'rights' are an abstract human concept connected with the rise of 'civilisation'.. Its taken to its absurd limit with the concept of 'animal rights', one of the most nonsensical concepts ive ever encountered. How can an animal, who is not par tof our society, is not human, cannot hold responsibilities, indeed doesnt even have the intelligence to understand the previous three ideas, have 'rights'? and if one animal has rights, then all animals must have rights, all the way down to bacteria!!! Does a Zebra have rights when killed an eaten by a lion ? At what point do you draw your imaginary line? if some onimals have rights and some dont, then who decides, and how and why ? Its SUCH ******.

Animals, and indeed kids, dont have 'rights', but we as intelligent adult humans have 'obligations', a much better concept. I am obliged as a reasonable person, not to be cruel or to abuse kids or animals. In return for my acceptance of these obligations, i get various liberties i take protected by law, such as the liberty to trial by jury, the liberty not to be tortured by the police etc.
 
I couldn't put it any better than joinerjohn, get rid of this ridiculous human rights act, end groups such as "liberty" and punish criminals to the full extent of the law.

There is no discipline anymore and this is probably due to parents simply not having the time to spend with their children anymore to teach them respect and values. They have no respect for peoples feelings, property or right to be left alone and this sort of behaviour will only speed up the process of social justice coming about.

I think thats more to do with the war on family values that labour has conduted in the last 14 years, combined with there obsession with promoting single parents and homosexuality as viable alternatives, its simply undermined massively the morality of we had in the 1960's.


These kids are just lacking all forms of common sense, a lad who lives over the road from me found a half used tin of blue paint next to a neighbours bin and decided he could put it to good use by throwing it all over the garages behind my house?! this same tw*t was sitting at the bus stop and hitting the ground with a golf putter?? the parents must have been able to hear the bloody racket this lad was making but just sit indoors drinking stella and ignoring his wrong doing :evil:

I think that the parents of the children who cause this trouble should be the ones who are punished, if the child knows that their parents will face the consequences of their actions they may think twice before breaking peoples property and generally being unpleasant little b*stards.

The problem is the state has removed your right to be responsible for your kids. If yo uactually tried to control kids in the way kids were controlled in the 60's, you woudl have child protection onto you. Having removed your ability to control your kids, the state offers no alternative, effectively giving kids the right to do what they like. Combine that with the nonsensical concept of 'childrens rights', and you have kids who can do what they like, protected by the law.

This whole looney left PC concept that everything and its dog has 'rights' is the crap thats at the heart of it. It utterly fails to recognise that rights carry responsibilities, and that rights have to be earned with a reciprocal amount of responsibility, and further more 'rights' are an abstract human concept connected with the rise of 'civilisation'.. Its taken to its absurd limit with the concept of 'animal rights', one of the most nonsensical concepts ive ever encountered. How can an animal, who is not par tof our society, is not human, cannot hold responsibilities, indeed doesnt even have the intelligence to understand the previous three ideas, have 'rights'? and if one animal has rights, then all animals must have rights, all the way down to bacteria!!! Does a Zebra have rights when killed an eaten by a lion ? At what point do you draw your imaginary line? if some onimals have rights and some dont, then who decides, and how and why ? Its SUCH ****.

Animals, and indeed kids, dont have 'rights', but we as intelligent adult humans have 'obligations', a much better concept. I am obliged as a reasonable person, not to be cruel or to abuse kids or animals. In return for my acceptance of these obligations, i get various liberties i take protected by law, such as the liberty to trial by jury, the liberty not to be tortured by the police etc.
I think I agree with you LB, what is the world coming to :eek:
 
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Well said Lincs... Obligations, yes! A much better way to express this.
What to do with those amongst us who don't follow these obligations though? As you so rightly point out, the Loony Left would have a field day, were one of these young thugs be dealt with to the full extent of the law. With calls that his sentence was so unfair.
Now is the time we really do need a government to be tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime. But,,, who's going to step up to the challenge?
It's in the press almost every day that our prisons are overcrowded and government encourage courts to be more lenient in sentencing.
If,, prisons are overcrowded then the obvious answer is to build bigger prisons and more of them. Let's give them sentences appropriate to the crimes committed. When a judge says 15yrs let that be the minimum time that person will spend in prison. Take their TV's and luxuries away from them. If they don't want to work or learn anything in prison, let them spend 23hrs and 55 mins a day locked in a cell.
Let's kick the Loony Left into touch and put society back on a reasonable course.
 
I think most of us on here were raised at a time when discipline, such as the cane and a good 'belt from your father,' was accepted and went unquestioned. At the same time we were raised as children and allowed to be children till we reached our mid to late teens when we were expected to act as young adults and take responsibility for our actions.
Then in the early 80's came the Cleveland child abuse allegations were children were taken from their homes and families in the middle of the night because some zealot got it into their head they were being abused. Most of these allegations were eventually found untrue but the damage had been done!
Parents were scared to chastise/discipline their off-spring for fear of the SS turning up on their door. I personally stopped my kids getting in the bath with me and I would not change my grand childrens nappies unless someone else was/is in the room with me, preferably the childs parent.
At the time I didn't realise the HUGE detrimental effect this would have on my relationship with my kids as they grew older. We have had problems, especially with my daughter who is the younger, but somehow we have managed to get through them. A lot of families didn't and are still paying the price through broken relationships, children who have turned to crime and children who can't form steady relationships that last any length of time.
This is where we need to actually go back in our progression and let parents be free from the fear of 'Big Brother' snoopers when they try to instill some sense of responsibility into their children. I'm not advocating going back to Victorian times of upbringing, merely that if a child of reasonable intelligence, i.e say 7 upwards, 'refuses' to learn right from wrong then they should be punished. Unfortunately because todays young parents were not taught these basics it would probably blow into 'full blown' physical/mental abuse of the child.
We as the elders need to show our offspring what lies in wait for them if they allow trends to continue the way are doing. It won't be easy, it won't be quick and it may even take several generations but I believe we hold the key to a safer brighter future for our descendants.
I don't pretend to have the answers but we have to start somewhere.
Remember, these people will probably be looking after us in 20, 30 years time and if we don't instill some form of responsibilty in to them do you think they will give a s*&t about the old geezer/bird in the corner talking to themselves?
 
More parenting classes can be a start, but then where do you start, with all the booze and filth everywhere especially on TV, which is the primary babysitter :confused:
 
Have to agree with you there newgas, though thankfully my 2 kids spend a hell of a lot of time with their kids, (2 each), doing constructive things such as handicrafts, taking them on nature trails and reading to them a lot.
As a consequence I can sit and have a reasonable intelligent conversation with both my 4 year old G/Kids about how things work and discussions on nature etc as well as having great fun doing 'stupid' things like teaching them to do handstands and cartwheels across the garden.
 
More parenting classes can be a start, but then where do you start, with all the booze and filth everywhere especially on TV, which is the primary babysitter :confused:

I must be getting tired...you're starting to sound sensible. :eek:
 
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