Any Kippers here?

Why do you suppose they do that then M itch?

Supposedly to save energy. The high efficiency pumps are double the cost so most likely the carbon emissions given off during the manufacturing process will be much higher.
Will they even save that amount during their operating life?
 
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Will they even save that amount during their operating life?
Don't know. That is down to the manufacturers, their R&D and the parameters that have been set by those who understand about the saving of energy.
I'm sure people will have sat down and discussed it.

The high efficiency pumps are double the cost so most likely the carbon emissions given off during the manufacturing process will be much higher
Really? Is that true? Why do they bother then?
 
Supposedly to save energy. The high efficiency pumps are double the cost so most likely the carbon emissions given off during the manufacturing process will be much higher.
Will they even save that amount during their operating life?

He knows why mate. He half quoted my response which referred to the fact that the manu's comply with a directive that John D denies exists. I'd stop feeding the pair of them if I were you.
 
a directive that John D denies exists.

I have not denied that a directive exists (except that the directive number given by Transam does not exist)

I have however attempted unsuccessfully to get any of the people who claim that the directive says something, to show that it includes such words as they claim.

(This is because I have read the directive originally quoted, and it does not mention, for example, the word "boiler")

How about Directive 2009/125/EC ?

Look for yourself. It's easy enough. Even the user currently using the name firebrand can't find anything in it that he can quote as a problem. It's like when he goes on the SupercarFantasy forum and claims "the Highway Code prohibits anyone driving at more than 25mph" (it doesn't) and is challenged to prove it.
 
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Fact is that one well known pump manu brought out an erp compliant pump that took outsome boiler pcb's /electronics ;)

yep energy efficient pump crammed with electronics that will last Hmmmm how long ???????;)

what u save on leccy will be eaten up + sum on renewals ;) which imho could well be a good thing ,more work :)

HE boilers Hmmm save a sniff of gas , which willbe eaten up on repair costs during its life time or it becomes beyond economical repair :)

imho a good thing ;) more work :)

but don't play the save the planet card with me :LOL: manufacturing more boilers, more spares, thousands of diesel vans charging around the country repairing / replacing this carp :LOL: love it ;)

green is good :) like bio masse burning bits of wood cough splutter ,from the wood smoke :LOL: & with a subsidy as well ;)
 
Perhaps you ought to write a memo and send it to the manufacturers and to those that make the rules.

Oh, and I should keep that memo and use it AFTER Brexit because little will change regards the UK and its commitment to energy saving directives.
 
I have not denied that a directive exists (except that the directive number given by Transam does not exist)

I have however attempted unsuccessfully to get any of the people who claim that the directive says something, to show that it includes such words as they claim.

(This is because I have read the directive originally quoted, and it does not mention, for example, the word "boiler")



Look for yourself. It's easy enough. Even the user currently using the name firebrand can't find anything in it that he can quote as a problem. It's like when he goes on the SupercarFantasy forum and claims "the Highway Code prohibits anyone driving at more than 25mph" (it doesn't) and is challenged to prove it.


not interested in reading the directive

antarres quote the following in there trade publication dated 2017

page 13

"Alfamax wet rotor circulating pump , certified in class A and a coeifficent of performance EEI lower than O.20. which already complies
with the new European directive ERP 200 /125 /CE"
 
Perhaps you ought to write a memo and send it to the manufacturers and to those that make the rules.

Oh, and I should keep that memo and use it AFTER Brexit because little will change regards the UK and its commitment to energy saving directives.

no need to take that attitude Noseall

u were the one who kept on telling every one that they were porkie piers , all made up etc etc & imho u should put up a seperate post

and apologise to all those concerned for your ignorance and blatant error and your assumption that we were all ladies willys
 
not interested in reading the directive

Then you are not in a position to tell anyone what it actually says.

And if you insist on quoting the reference numbers of documents that do not exist, you can only make yourself look silly.

Clue: the first four digits are the year.
"200" was nearly two thousand years ago.
 
Then you are not in a position to tell anyone what it actually says.

I belong to trade organisations & they advise me as to what any EU directive says that effects our work.

and the explanation is in plain English. Why would I want to waste my time trawling through EU nonsense. most of which or all of it is written by pencil pushing paper shuffeling , dipsticks who have no practical expeirence in the real world and probably could not find there back side in the dark with both hands and a torch.

And in any event from my point of view these EU directives on pumps and boilers etc are in most cases a good thing :sneaky::sneaky: & I hope Brexit does not make any difference :sneaky::sneaky:

3 years for a pump :sneaky: ?? less that 10 (at best) for a boiler :sneaky:;);)

love it . Blimey thinking about it ?if brexit means an end to this caper I would change my vote & be a remoaner :LOL: were do I sign ????
 
no, what I have done is say that the document number he quotes does not exist. Which it doesn't. You might as well try to phone somebody while omitting one of the digits. Would you make a pompous fuss about someone giving you a UK phone number only 10 digits long?
 
I belong to trade organisations & they advise me as to what any EU directive says that effects our work.

Bit of a nuisance if, like firejones, they tell you something that isn't true. You might believe it. Not in fireplace's case, obviously. Nobody with any sense ever believes him.
 
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