Ban on house coal and wet wood

[EddieM]

I'm interested as to how wet wood will be defined.

Wood can be too dry to burn efficiently too.

 

[Munroast]

I'm interested as to how the local woodsman that delivers my logs will be able to comply.

Kiln dried surely has to be worse for the environment than naturally seasoned.

Yes kiln dried will be worse on the global warming front but the idea behind not burning wet wood is too improve air quality in cities (particulates)
seems a shame to impose this rule on rural communities where a bit of wood smoke from their chimneys makes no difference to anyone as the smoke is soon dispersed

I suspect the ban on coal is to reduce the use of fossil fuels so this will not only improve air quality it will also stop adding to global warming.


I cut my own wood and live in scotland so none of these new rules will apply to me

 

[IT Minion]

seems a shame to impose this rule on rural communities where a bit of wood smoke from their chimneys makes no difference to anyone as the smoke is soon dispersed

I think it doesn't always work like that.

A lot of London's PM2.5 comes over the channel from France iirc. The smoke dissipates but the particles are still floating about for quite a while. Certainly in other places like China and India they have loads of particulates created on surrounding countryside that then blow into the cities, making bad much much worse.

 

[EddieM]

Yes kiln dried will be worse on the global warming front but the idea behind not burning wet wood is too improve air quality in cities (particulates)
seems a shame to impose this rule on rural communities where a bit of wood smoke from their chimneys makes no difference to anyone as the smoke is soon dispersed

I suspect the ban on coal is to reduce the use of fossil fuels so this will not only improve air quality it will also stop adding to global warming.


I cut my own wood and live in scotland so none of these new rules will apply to me

I live in China, and produce whatever pollution I like, none of these rules or responsibilities apply to me either.

 

[Ryler]

Good idea, but I do feel a bit sorry for those who live in remote areas

Don't.
Well just start chopping our trees down and burn them.
Trees were made for burning, and bears were made for dancing on hot plates and humans were made for burning and breeding.
Simples.

 

[Munroast]

I think it doesn't always work like that.

A lot of London's PM2.5 comes over the channel from France iirc. The smoke dissipates but the particles are still floating about for quite a while. Certainly in other places like China and India they have loads of particulates created on surrounding countryside that then blow into the cities, making bad much much worse.

I guess we would need to define size of rural community (I'm thinking small hamlets half dozen house etc) Quantities of particulates from such communities would make no odds to a city 50+ mile away. Agree about the EU polluting London when the winds from that direction, and they do like to pretend heathrow doesn't add to the cities poor air quality.

It's a daft bit of legislation to stop trendies in london polluting themselves whilst pretending to save the planet with wood burning stoves (why are they so clueless as to be burning unseasoned wood in the first place?). Big shame that people in the countryside who don't have access to mains gas will now have to pay more for firewood due to city trendies who don't need to be burning wood in the first place.

 

[lostinthelight]

Most kilns used to dry wood are fuelled by wet and softwoods that are polluting so where's the sense in that?

 

[IT Minion]

Most kilns used to dry wood are fuelled by wet and softwoods that are polluting so where's the sense in that?

Which is why most wood used for fires will be seasoned, not kiln dried.

It's amazing how the population of DIYNot are dafter than the people who wrote the rules and keep missing that part.

 

[transam]

How is it going to be policed? In rural areas

 

[EddieM]

Its a bit of a nonsense to be sure, some lucky folk have access to felled / dead wood, how you police that is anyone's guess.

 

[Munroast]

How is it going to be policed? In rural areas

It will be policed at the time of delivery and the seller prosecuted.

I know a bloke who has sold logs for years (decades) He delivers from where ever he is cutting, he has no storage, the tree has probably only been down a few weeks, it is up to the householder to season it, you buy a year in advance its fantastic value. If this daft law comes north of the border what will he have to do ? buy a giant warehouse to store the stuff in, may be even a kiln to dry it, and then all the extra work of reloading for delivery. He will probably need to double his prices - all because stupid yuppies have been cluelessly burning wet wood.

 

[EddieM]

It will be policed at the time of delivery and the seller prosecuted.

I know a bloke who has sold logs for years (decades) He delivers from where ever he is cutting, he has no storage, the tree has probably only been down a few weeks, it is up to the householder to season it, you buy a year in advance its fantastic value. If this daft law comes north of the border what will he have to do ? buy a giant warehouse to store the stuff in, may be even a kiln to dry it, and then all the extra work of reloading for delivery. He will probably need to double his prices - all because stupid yuppies have been cluelessly burning wet wood.

Out of interest, what would you class as wet wood?

 

[Brigadier]

It won't burn?

 

[EddieM]

It won't burn?

Well it won't pollute anything then, will it

 

[Munroast]

Out of interest, what would you class as wet wood?

apparently it is anything over 20% moisture content ? meaningless to me.

I think it is properly seasoned when it burns down to nothing on a relatively small fire,
If I know it is freshly cut (from fallen tree in the last 6 months, oak ash beech birch) I weigh bits after spliting when stacking, I weigh bits after spliting when stacking, write weight on it with a marker pen,, will expect these to loose 30% of their weight before they become good burners.
I also get a lot of dead elm (loggers hate the stuff, difficult to split, hence why I get it free) some of that stuff has probably been standing 20 years since it died, you can burn that on the same night, wonderful stuff apart from its a bugger to split.