I have some of these. They aren't large, were cheaper than Duraplugs, and withstand rough handling.
Best plug for 2.5mm flex
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I have some of these. They aren't large, were cheaper than Duraplugs, and withstand rough handling.
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Right I have had some, yes they take 2.5 conductors (OK a bit of care is needed) they take 0.50 to 1.50 more easily as most plugs do) the earth can be made to pull out last with both types whilst utilising the loop cavity correctly.
So what is the actual problem?
So what is the conflict?
NONE.
Not all plugs are that easy but some fit the bill adequately with care!
Blimey!
I will get me coat !
So what is the actual problem?
So what is the conflict?
NONE.
Not all plugs are that easy but some fit the bill adequately with care!
Blimey!
I will get me coat !
No need to get ya coat as everything you have written was totally correct when I got into it in depth in mid 70's, nowhere in BS1363 did it forbid the use of cable bigger than 1.5mm², in fact as I mentioned earlier there was provision to use serial numbered type approved assemblies consisting of a plug without fuse, 1m of 2.5mm² flex, BS1362 fuse or up to 15A fast blow or 2P MCB 15A type 1/B16, single or double BS1363 or single BS4343. Such assemblies could be obtained on a one per license basis from wholesalers but most of them struggled to find suppliers.
Over the years I've terminated 7/0.029 & 2.5mm² T&E or 2.5mm² flex on many occassions in a selection of 13A plugs (and with a lot of care, even 4mm² flex although generally I'd aim for 13A to 32A adapter leads).
What is not done and never will be?
Not really any bigger but in any case how else would a longer extension lead be constructed?
In the entertainment industry 2.5mm² HO7 is a very standard cable for 13A aplications and I imagine tens (possibly hundreds) of thousands of them are in use in UK. As a little tiny one man band business I must have a couple of dozen.
Yes I feel very sad when advice is sought and supposedly respected contributers come out with such factually incorrect advice then press their incorrect view when challenged and even the proof is put before them. It makes me wonder what experience they really have.
They are not wrong.
I believe they are not wrong.
OOOOOO let me just work that one out
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I've never been wrong.They are not wrong.
I believe they are not wrong.
OOOOOO let me just work that one out
Once I thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
In which case I'll adsk the same question of you I asked Flame: How do I make a compliant extension lead that would be too long for 1.5mm² without adding unnecessary and bulky adapters?
What length of extension lead are you trying to make, and why?
Another thread entirely ruined by pointless bickering over irrelevancies.
Simple question for you - is that section which flameport quoted what you're basing your "must not" on, or is there something else?
If that's all there is then you are most definitely wrong.
Is someone giving factually wrong advice an irrelevance?
Look. it is quite simple. All details specked must comply.
If they all comply to BS1363vthen Yes they comply. No problem.
If they comply with meeting the test for allowing a 2.5 conductor to be terminated correctly and compliant as well as the 0.5 to 1.5 conductor in addition to complying with the standard then all well and good.
If complying with meeting compliance with 2.5 flexes detracts from compliance with the standard then not good,
So, if an item exists that compiles with the standard and also exceeds it then no problem, it still complies.
If compliance with a ring final circuit means using 2.5 T & E cable and you use 4.0 or even 6.0 conductors and in all other ways that compliance is still achieved then that fact alone does not chieve non compliance, you ha have merely achieved the minimum standard and exceeded it unless the additional cross sectional are of the conductors conflicts with the application of those minimum standards.
Therefore, if a person uses a plug-top (plug) complying with the standard and is able to use it proficiently with a cable of a higher criss sectional area in a safe manner then all well and good.
If a person uses one that does not do the job in hand according to that minimum standard then then is not good and does not comply by design, selection and the skill of the person making that connection.
By the same applications there is no such animal as a "17th Edition Consumer Unit" no such thing exists although they were quited often a fe years back.
Any consumer unit could be installed to comply or to not comply with that standard.
Aggg hhhh Huh Humbug. And drat and double drat too!
If they all comply to BS1363vthen Yes they comply. No problem.
If they comply with meeting the test for allowing a 2.5 conductor to be terminated correctly and compliant as well as the 0.5 to 1.5 conductor in addition to complying with the standard then all well and good.
If complying with meeting compliance with 2.5 flexes detracts from compliance with the standard then not good,
So, if an item exists that compiles with the standard and also exceeds it then no problem, it still complies.
If compliance with a ring final circuit means using 2.5 T & E cable and you use 4.0 or even 6.0 conductors and in all other ways that compliance is still achieved then that fact alone does not chieve non compliance, you ha have merely achieved the minimum standard and exceeded it unless the additional cross sectional are of the conductors conflicts with the application of those minimum standards.
Therefore, if a person uses a plug-top (plug) complying with the standard and is able to use it proficiently with a cable of a higher criss sectional area in a safe manner then all well and good.
If a person uses one that does not do the job in hand according to that minimum standard then then is not good and does not comply by design, selection and the skill of the person making that connection.
By the same applications there is no such animal as a "17th Edition Consumer Unit" no such thing exists although they were quited often a fe years back.
Any consumer unit could be installed to comply or to not comply with that standard.
Aggg hhhh Huh Humbug. And drat and double drat too!
Yes you are absolutely correct in that statement.
I beg to differ, this thread has been ruined by incorrect information. Even OP asks:
I'd like to point out some of the posts which led to the ruination, please accept my edits and highlighting salient points to provide clarrification.
The actual question :
And the ignorance shown in incorrect responses:
You never did explain where you think you created the incorrect statement from
At least within this response there is acceptance it could be done, including the following which was after a plug which will fit on a 2.5mm² had been suggested.
Following documentation showing a plug which will fit on a 2.5mm² flex.
I take it there had been no attempt to search for such a plug or the previous posts hadn't been read before posting.
So yes the thread has been spoilt but entirely due to the ignorance shown in the factually incorrect posts and the attempts by 3 to 5 others actually trying to answer the OP's question and demonstrate the inaccuracies shown.
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What has that got to do with anything, surely a requirement for an extension lead is a requirement for an extension lead?
However I will give an answer, some of my requirements are for long extension leads and the reason is there is often a great distance between the power source and where the power is required.
My inventory used to list 4Km of mains extension leads, currently the inventory has not been updated but I'll hazard a guess I probably only have 1.5Km including 3 of 100m and about 6 of 50m lengths.
It only matters that the flex does fit, I'm right with you all the way.
I've never used those SF plugs, I assume they are the same as the Permaplugs. I usually get them from CPC.
Years ago I used to get some lovely square Nylon plugs marked as ACTO. Sadly had to be scrapped as not sleeved.
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