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kendor said:
The qoute of you only want to see your view-----..-- is correct from me as that is what i pick up from what you post on here.
But i saw Fwl,s post and then saw Oilman was on so i thoughi would bait him exactly as some have baited Slogger to make a point thats all---but i couldnt get back on afterwards so it all went wrong
It's just in your post that i quoted, you were agreeing with FWL who mentioned my name so i took it that your comment was directed at me hence my post. Is that not the case anymore and that your comment was really aimed at Oilman?
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where am i making a mockery of it by saying lots of innocent people were killed?Freddie said:
i'm seeing both sides taking heavy casualties, differences in opinion that led to the war don't come into the argument in any way it's the senseless deaths of all involved that's the issue.
you mention your grandad fought for his country and i'm sorry he suffered and eventually died but so did lots of japanese fight for their country, suffer and eventually die. that is the horror of war it's not one sided all who participate or get caught up in it suffer.
In my opinion this is what perpetuates hatred from old squabbles the remembrance ceremonies coupled with pictures of torture, deprivation etc it merely stirs up hatreds that should have been forgotten by now.
What these remebrance ceremonies should be emphasising is the horror of war and those that suffered and lost their lives and left at that, not digging up old bitter disputes.
We are the childrens children of those times now, what have those people of old done to our generation that we should continue to hate? how far does this hatred go before it is forgotten? perhaps the romans did some really horrible things to my great great.........great grandad should i still bear a grudge?
There is a difference in necessary action and that just for political reasons though, if you understand what i mean, if a nation is running roughshod over other countries then you need a united front to stop them.
When i have criticised the use of certain actions or methods used it is my opinion of the result it brings that i find distasteful maybe there was another way? maybe not? but because i find the result distasteful does that make me a liberal hypocrite as suggested? am i saying No action should be used?
im not a politician so wouldn't be able to give solutions to these problems but i do feel that all avenues are not explored sometimes and that certain nations are in a rush to use force. for example in the past it seemed that the americans had been itching to try out their new toy the cruise missile on live targets. so diplomacy took a back seat.
When i have criticised the use of certain actions or methods used it is my opinion of the result it brings that i find distasteful maybe there was another way? maybe not? but because i find the result distasteful does that make me a liberal hypocrite as suggested? am i saying No action should be used?
im not a politician so wouldn't be able to give solutions to these problems but i do feel that all avenues are not explored sometimes and that certain nations are in a rush to use force. for example in the past it seemed that the americans had been itching to try out their new toy the cruise missile on live targets. so diplomacy took a back seat.
Freddie said:
I see you can bring in "other threads" as it suits you. I remember you were having a dig at me for doing the same thing, as according to you I had upset all the posters and ruined the discussions by breaking the rules, when in fact no rule existed.
I also note that while ban-all-sheds had posts removed by what appear to be favouritist moderators as being abusive of slogger, both your and FWL's abuse of kendor is allowed to stand.
As for losing an argument, see AdamW's post in the thread you refer to above.
kendor said:
Well if thats what the Americans were up to i would be solidly behind you.
I am against what we now know as Tony's intervention into Iraq aswell, but i was referring to the attitudes of some when people where on about those who lived here and the japs etc etc, i dont think the Americans dropped the A bombs to see what would happen they already knew that
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OK, Kendor, here are some figures for you from the UN for casualties in WWII
These are shocking and staggering figures, especially when you look at the figures for South East Asia and Japan. These figures show exactly how brutal the Japanese campaign of Occupation was, and how they treated the occupied populations.
The list is not complete, it lists over 100 nations who fought or were occupied during the period 1910 - 1945. The reason for these dates is that the Japanese annexed Korea in 1910, and this is when their brutal suppression of others began.
When you look back at historical records, the figures are truly scary. Between 1910 and 1945, more than 500 Million people were killed fighting wars or because of occupations by Beligerant forces.
During this same period, the Population of the planet hardly changed. In 1910, the planet human population was estimated at 1.75 Billion, and it continued to steadily grow by about 200 Million per decade until 1950. However this figure hides the fact that the population should have grown by more than 540 Million (as an average) per decade over this same period.
The interesting fact is that In Europe, China and parts of South East Asia, the population fell by nearly 21% in some cases, but average 11.8% in most.
Perhaps now you understand why the Japanese got off light and why they need to be held account for actions and crimes committed in living memory.
These are shocking and staggering figures, especially when you look at the figures for South East Asia and Japan. These figures show exactly how brutal the Japanese campaign of Occupation was, and how they treated the occupied populations.
The list is not complete, it lists over 100 nations who fought or were occupied during the period 1910 - 1945. The reason for these dates is that the Japanese annexed Korea in 1910, and this is when their brutal suppression of others began.
When you look back at historical records, the figures are truly scary. Between 1910 and 1945, more than 500 Million people were killed fighting wars or because of occupations by Beligerant forces.
During this same period, the Population of the planet hardly changed. In 1910, the planet human population was estimated at 1.75 Billion, and it continued to steadily grow by about 200 Million per decade until 1950. However this figure hides the fact that the population should have grown by more than 540 Million (as an average) per decade over this same period.
The interesting fact is that In Europe, China and parts of South East Asia, the population fell by nearly 21% in some cases, but average 11.8% in most.
Perhaps now you understand why the Japanese got off light and why they need to be held account for actions and crimes committed in living memory.
ah china will be there judge and jury m8ty wait and see
as soon as they make enougth of them floating thingymejigs ( boats ) they will have taiwan
next stop china and we ( usa ) wont help how can we ? would we ( usa ) risk a nuclear exchage for the japs ? no chance they are going to be paying a heavy price
this scenario would be put into practice a lot faster if and when the yanks go into iran as they would be sorta busy
as soon as they make enougth of them floating thingymejigs ( boats ) they will have taiwan
next stop china and we ( usa ) wont help how can we ? would we ( usa ) risk a nuclear exchage for the japs ? no chance they are going to be paying a heavy price
this scenario would be put into practice a lot faster if and when the yanks go into iran as they would be sorta busy
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