Boat illegals up under Labour.

[festive]

I couldn’t agree more.

Fillyboy , Motorbiking, Mottie, Nwgs2 need to stop falsely calling people who criticise the state of Israel,”Jew haters”
Festive, why aren’t you calling out the people on here weaponising anti semitism?

Fillyboy for example has never ever once talked about the terrible atrocities committed in Gaza, never has he talked about the bo,bing of innocent Palestinians, the withholding of aid, the switching off water and electricity, the prevention of critical medicines getting through, the children dying of starvation and disease.

Not f****g once

Instead he spends his time screaming “Jew hater” to anybody who dares criticise Israel.

He complains that John D does not acknowledge the atrocities committed by Hamas, while he never ever acknowledges the atrocities committed by Israel.


So come on Festive, why aren’t you calling out Filly for his one sided attitude?

Notch, whilst i hear you and completely agree as ive already stated from my objection of the acts committed by both sides has been abhorrent im sure you follow that photographer on Instagram as i do showing the daily atrocities and suffering of the Palestinians particularly the kids, breaks my heart. However its driven by both sides, and yes if they are calling you a Jew hater is that justified?

The only thing i will say in their defence is when i first mentioned the illegal immigration issue via channel crossings you jumped down my throat basically calling me a racist right winger and how i was obsessed with blocking 'brown men in boats' escaping to freedom when in reality most are economic migrants. . Completely irrational and uncalled for, therefore i struggle to acknowledge you haven't already reacted in a similar way in this instance, thus creating a far greater rift in debate had you started on a more rational level.

I have to say also when we first used to talk you were always so level headed, im not sure what's changed. maybe you spend too much time on these forums. It can cause this issue where you become too attached to your online profile and it becomes personal. Just a thought. That aside yes all human suffering must stop. Personally my plight is for the Ukranians whilst the Palestinians or Hammas you would argue triggered this latest series of atrocities, Ukraine did absolutely nothing but exist and attempt to build a better future by negotiating with Europe and beyond, whilst Russia aka Putin behaved like a jilted boyfriend on that alone also committing genocide in the process.

 

[Odds]

Hands up who knows where international law stands on the use of hospitals for military purposes.

are you referring to the weapons found by Israeli troops after they were abandoned by wounded Hamas fighters when they were attacked in the hospital? Are the Zionists still claiming they're used as command centers?

 

[motorbiking]

The forum trolls, don't accept that boat people are economic migrants. They pretend that because they are granted leave, it must be true that they are refugees.

Asylum claims are easy money for solicitors/trainees. It's like a Will, dust off the last one you did and change a few details. Except there is zero come back if you make a mistake.

 

[Brigadier]

Asylum claims are easy money for solicitors/trainees. It's like a Will, dust off the last one you did and change a few details. Except there is zero come back if you make a mistake.

Gives the lie then, to the RWRs' claims that the incomers are the ones getting easy money, as they only come "for the life on benefits".

The incomers typically work - hard - in the jobs that the pooh-poohers wouldn't touch in a million years.

And both they and the moaning RWRs are paying the lawyers' bills

 

[motorbiking]

The ones not working in organised crime you mean?


If only people could get a Visa for the kind of work you describe.
Oh wait... they can

 

[denso13]

The incomers typically work - hard - in the jobs that the pooh-poohers wouldn't touch in a million years.

They can of course apply, but which one,

 

[motorbiking]

Well if you click the link. You can find out.

If you want to work in a care home on minimum wage, that is eligible

 

[Brigadier]

The ones not working in organised crime you mean?

And that is a failing of:

- the people on the boats
- Border Force
- the government

?


Process.
Process.
Process.


If only the last shower had not denuded so much of our public services and public service infrastructure............

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

So now David Lammy is going on about Sanctioning people and groups, 'particularly those Chinese engines used on their flimsy dinghies' we are going after them. Much as he seems like a lovely bloke i don't feel confidence he's Foreign Sec material, more of a an ambassador. We need someone with business and defence background. This is the problem with these 'cabinets'. They're all there on back scratching deals formed years back in alliances, nothing much to do with are they actually fit for the role they are in.

I watched/listened to him this morning, I just couldn't fathom what, if anything he was going to do - it was all just so much waffle. He seemed, at one point, to be comparing himself to 'Nye' Bevan.

 

[motorbiking]

And that is a failing of:

- the people on the boats
- Border Force
- the government

?


Process.
Process.
Process.


If only the last shower had not denuded so much of our public services and public service infrastructure............

It's your choice if you want to be a criminal or not. The job of society is to persuade you that the risks are greater than the reward.

 

[Brigadier]

It's your choice if you want to be a criminal or not. The job of society is to persuade you that the risks are greater than the reward.

And it is the job of our government to provide decent public services.
Not funnel off the cash for their own and their chums' edification.

 

[fillyboy]

are you referring to the weapons found by Israeli troops after they were abandoned by wounded Hamas fighters when they were attacked in the hospital? Are the Zionists still claiming they're used as command centers?

I'm referring to the latest hospital raid, the Kaman Adwan hospital.

240 terrorists were arrested 15 of whom had participated on the October 7th attack, 19 terrorists were killed. One of the arrested was the director of the hospital.
During the raid terrorists attempted to escape posing as medical staff or patients in ambulances. Of the first 21 patients to try and leave, 13 were terror suspects.

The IDF evacuated 350 patients and caregivers to other hospitals, 95 patients and medical staff were evacuated to the Indonesian hospital where the IDF then delivered 5000 litres of fuel, two generators and medical equipment.

The IDF have released footage taken by Hamas itself of Hamas operatives planting explosives 40metres from the Indonesian hospital.

 

[JohnD]

suspects.

I thought you said they were terrorists?

Tell me about the evidence presented at their trial before they were convicted

Or killed, if sooner.

 

[fillyboy]

I thought you said they were terrorists?

Tell me about the evidence presented at their trial before they were convicted

Or killed, if sooner.

It was also widely reported that the hospital 'had been burnt down' and according to another source '3 operating theatres had been burnt down with staff still inside'.

The IDF report noted that one room within the hospital caught fire but was quickly brought under control.

 

[denso13]

The IDF report noted

That's your mistake right there...