broadband not working at new extension
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It works fine on the older 2 part versions of the master socket as the customer terminals are unfiltered.
It is a 2 part and quite old.
Think so john, I assume there the white little boxes, i was told to use 1 on each phone, never really knew why
Microfilters: Plug into the jack, then you have two jacks, one filtered for your telephone equipment and one unfiltered for the DSL modem.
The idea is that the modem must connect directly to the incoming line but that all telephones (including answering machine, fax etc.) have to go through filters. The best option is to install one filter and have all the telephone equipment connected to that single filter. The other option, not so good, is to use a microfilter at each and every location at which you use a telephone.
If you have the older-style NTE then by far the best option is to replace the existing lower connection plate with a filter designed to plug straight in in its place. For example:
http://www.adslnation.com/products/xte2005.php
On this filter you then have two sets of terminals for filtered line (to your telephones) and unfiltered line (to your modem). If the modem is being connected at the master location, then you can just use the jack provided there and run regular telephone extension wiring to your other locations.
If you want the modem elsewhere, then you want to run a dedicated pair from the A & B terminals on the filter to the modem jack. Keep the telephone wiring completely separate on different pairs. You also want to avoid the situation in which the DSL pair goes to a jack into which the modem is connected but then continues on elsewhere. This is what you have at the moment (with multiple filters) by having it plugged into the first extension jack. The extra wiring beyond the point at which the modem is connected creates a bridge tap which can cause signal degradation.
How important this is in terms of affecting performance depends on a good many factors. If you're close to the exchange with good signal levels then the small amount of degradation which can result from using multiple microfilters (which, in general, are of lower quality), having bridge taps, etc. probably won't make a significant enough difference to be worth worrying about. If, on the other hand, you're at the end of 5 miles of wire with lower signal levels, as I used to be, the difference such things can make can be quite significant.
Another problem with the use of multiple microfilters and the unfiltered line run to every jack is that if you forget about the filter sometime and plug a telephone directly into the unfiltered line, you risk causing your broadband connection to drop.
And don't use Cat-5 or higher wiring for the DSL wiring. It doesn't increase speed, and may actually cause a degradation of the signal in some cases (again, depending upon several factors as to whether it would make a significant difference in your particular circumstances).
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Thanks, right, so I get that bottom bit for my existing master, then use one unfiltered pair to the first extension and stop there for my modem,
Use another two pairs from my new master filtered output, to the first extension and on to the others for the phone .
i assume the existing slaves I can keep, but im quessing I change the first extension box to a two outlet job.
I take it I can then do away with the plug in filters
Use another two pairs from my new master filtered output, to the first extension and on to the others for the phone .
i assume the existing slaves I can keep, but im quessing I change the first extension box to a two outlet job.
I take it I can then do away with the plug in filters
Right on all counts.
If you don't use the telephone jack at the NTE, you could also substitute a blank connection plate there and connect a single pair to your first extension location, at which point you would fit a dual outlet with integral filter, like this: http://www.adslnation.com/products/xtf.php
Then you continue from there to your other telephone extensions in the usual way.
If you don't use the telephone jack at the NTE, you could also substitute a blank connection plate there and connect a single pair to your first extension location, at which point you would fit a dual outlet with integral filter, like this: http://www.adslnation.com/products/xtf.php
Then you continue from there to your other telephone extensions in the usual way.
I do use the first phone point so i assume thats the NTE, so i change that for the filter bit you showed earlier, therefore for my first extension i assume i need an unfiltered version of this
Yes, the NTE (Network Terminating Equipment) is the demarcation point between BT's wiring and your internal wiring. The older two-part unit is an NTE-5, looking like this:
Yes, the filter I linked to earlier (or another brand like it) just plugs in in place of the original lower panel. Then on the back you have the usual numbered connections 2, 3, 4, 5 for telephone wiring, and the unfiltered line on A & B.
Yes, just two completely separate jacks, no filters or other components needed there. Run the blue/white & orange/white pairs in the usual way from the numbered terminals to the telephone jack, and continue on to your other telephone extensions from there. Use the green/white pair from the A & B terminals to the other jack for your modem, and they go no further.
Except his advice was WRONG regarding terminal 3.
I do apologise.
Maybe Jup never connected it up, as it worked without it
Maybe Jup never connected it up, as it worked without it
I think the main idea with these filters on master sockets, is to connect the router at this point.
Then filters are then unnecessary downstream.
Then filters are then unnecessary downstream.
That's true. However, as has been said, one can also extend the unfiltered feed to a modem/router-only outlet, with all telephone (etc.) sockets fed from the filtered feed from the master socket..
Kind Regards, John
Microfilters were developed to enable the product to be sold as "self install".
When ADSL first came out, it was an engineer installed service, via the NTE master filter.
As it became popular, they moved over to self install and microfilters, knowing that a small percentage of installs would not work and would need an engineer visit after the customer pulled their hair out trying to get it working. This small percentage was deemed acceptable to save the costs of an engineer for each install.
Exactly the same happened with VDSL infinity - This is now sold as self install with microfilters when it was intended to be engineer install only.
When ADSL first came out, it was an engineer installed service, via the NTE master filter.
As it became popular, they moved over to self install and microfilters, knowing that a small percentage of installs would not work and would need an engineer visit after the customer pulled their hair out trying to get it working. This small percentage was deemed acceptable to save the costs of an engineer for each install.
Exactly the same happened with VDSL infinity - This is now sold as self install with microfilters when it was intended to be engineer install only.
Yep - Just a "get it running at minimal cost" approach which works reasonably well a lot of the time. It's never the best option.
People also don't want to be waiting at home for an engineer visit.
I like the way the EE router and packaging is designed to fit through a letter box
I like the way the EE router and packaging is designed to fit through a letter box
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