Yes - I can, assuming they are to be consistent. A lot of people believe that as it's a struggle to find another reg it contravenes it's an equal struggle to say it contravenes 134.1.1. A lot of people believe that you may not use 134.1.1 on its own - you have to be able to say "contravenes 134.1.1 and xxx.yy.zz".
Yes - I can, assuming they are to be consistent. A lot of people believe that as it's a struggle to find another reg it contravenes it's an equal struggle to say it contravenes 134.1.1. A lot of people believe that you may not use 134.1.1 on its own - you have to be able to say "contravenes 134.1.1 and xxx.yy.zz".
I suppose that's all true, but I would expect (hope?) that this case is probably a bit different from more controversial ones which have been discussed. I think that, if we can't find a reg that it definitely contravenes, most of us feel that it is contravening 'a reg which should be there' - and, in that particular situation, are probably more happy to use 134.1.1 alone to compensate for that apparent deficiency in the regs.
The 'controversial' cases have mainly been those which seem to comply will all regulations but are 'not nice' in an aesthetic sense.
They're only controversial because some people believe that as long as something doesn't conflict with the regs it must be OK. Not everything has to be spelled out in a standard - that's why competent people can use their experience and judgement.
They're only controversial because some people believe that as long as something doesn't conflict with the regs it must be OK. Not everything has to be spelled out in a standard - that's why competent people can use their experience and judgement.
I don't disagree with that as a generalisation. However, as I said, the recent 'controversial' cases have been ones in which, AFAIAA, no-one was claiming that there was anything 'electrically wrong', but nevertheless considered that they were non-compliant with BS7671 (aka 'the Wiring Regulations"), by virtue of 134.1.1, because they were not aesthetically pleasing. I think that's a bit different.
I certainly doesn't look like it. However there is a gas pipe in the drywall right next to the socket that might have been used as an earth, if that is at all possible. I can't actually check that though.
Did you make the temporary repair, or the carpenter? If the earth is there it seems to have been trimmed right back or tucked away from sight, both slightly odd. Can you see where the cable goes to or comes from and check there is an earth at that end, a socket maybe?
And the value of doing that when this forum is full of shouty people who are firmly convinced that that regulation has no independent existence, and that as long as <whatever> does not explicitly contravene another regulation, it cannot by definition contravene 134.1.1 would be what?
I certainly doesn't look like it. However there is a gas pipe in the drywall right next to the socket that might have been used as an earth, if that is at all possible. I can't actually check that though.
Did you make the temporary repair, or the carpenter? If the earth is there it seems to have been trimmed right back or tucked away from sight, both slightly odd. Can you see where the cable goes to or comes from and check there is an earth at that end, a socket maybe?
I would obviously be nice to know that for sure, but there's really no particular reason to suspect that there isn't, particularly now that the broken cable has been repaired (hopefully including the CPC!). AIUI, the question was really only asked because some people were worried that they couldn't see a CPC in the chopped cable (even though I think it a bit far fetched to imagine that a cable without a CPC, even if it could be found, would have been installed last year!).
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