Burglar Alarm Installations & Part P

[Stoday]

That's right, Spark.

And because a kitchen is NOT a special location (and can't be a special installation) ELV is not notifiable.

Part P says you don't need to notify "Work not in a special location on telephone, ELV etc... It does NOT say "Work in a kitchen or special location..." as it does for adding lighting points etc.

 

[ebee]

OH YES YOU DO!

 

[offroader]

OH YES YOU DO!

I fit alarms every day, we generally install a 12v PIR's in Kitchens, without notifiacation!

As a company we cannot be seen to be breaking the law, and I've never been told to avoid kitchens as yet.

 

[Spark123]

From Part 2 of SI2004:3210
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from: DESCRIPTIONS OF WORK WHERE NO BUILDING NOTICE OR DEPOSIT OF FULL PLANS REQUIRED

3. Work on -

(a) telephone wiring or extra-low voltage wiring for the purposes of communications, information technology, signalling, control and similar purposes, where the wiring is not in a special location;

(b) equipment associated with the wiring referred to in sub-paragraph (a).

"special location" means a location within the limits of the relevant zones specified for a bath, a shower, a swimming or paddling pool or a hot air sauna in the Wiring Regulations, sixteenth edition, published by the Institution of Electrical Engineers and the British Standards Institution as BS 7671: 2001 and incorporating amendments 1 and 2."
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So as far as the SI is concerned, it does not mention kitchen and hence the formentioned (3a) type of wiring is NOT notifiable when being installed in a kitchen.

 

[breezer]

OH YES YOU DO!

I fit alarms every day, we generally install a 12v PIR's in Kitchens, without notifiacation!

As a company we cannot be seen to be breaking the law, and I've never been told to avoid kitchens as yet.

alarm companies always have and always will work to their own rules

 

[Stoday]

alarm companies always have and always will work to their own rules

Electricians always have and always will invent extra rules and laws, and that includes NICEIC.

Maybe because the IEE writes the rules and only engineers, not electricians, can be IEE members. Similarly with laws, mutatis mutandis.

Trouble is, the invented rules and laws arn't published so the public can't find out what they are.

 

[ebee]

Actually I might have misunderstood kitchen or special location to mean kitchen and special location.
I so, then I stand corrected.
But at least a bathroom is notifiable then.
Does nobody fit shock sensors to bathroom windows?
Do they notify?
That is notifiable

 

[offroader]

Does nobody fit shock sensors to bathroom windows?
Do they notify?
That is notifiable

We dont fit anything in bathrooms, you could always fit volt free contacts though.

 

[ebee]

Volt free ? connected to alarm and tamper zones? not volt free and they are part of a signalling or communication system therefore notifiable

 

[breezer]

alarms and similar are not notifiable

the fused connection unit may be, but the alarm itself is not notifiable

 

[ebee]

no, the ELV side sensors are

 

[Spark123]

alarms and similar are not notifiable

They are notifiable when fitted in a special location though.

 

[breezer]

like i said, alarm companies have their own rules.

what makes you say that they are notifiable though? they are only 12v, (although as i said the fcu may be notifiable), but not the alarm, besides who is going to check it? electricians, bco, can't -not qualified to- alarms have their own rules

 

[Spark123]

From Part 2 of SI2004:3210
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from: DESCRIPTIONS OF WORK WHERE NO BUILDING NOTICE OR DEPOSIT OF FULL PLANS REQUIRED

3. Work on -

(a) telephone wiring or extra-low voltage wiring for the purposes of communications, information technology, signalling, control and similar purposes, where the wiring is not in a special location;

(b) equipment associated with the wiring referred to in sub-paragraph (a).

"special location" means a location within the limits of the relevant zones specified for a bath, a shower, a swimming or paddling pool or a hot air sauna in the Wiring Regulations, sixteenth edition, published by the Institution of Electrical Engineers and the British Standards Institution as BS 7671: 2001 and incorporating amendments 1 and 2."
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[breezer]

and your point?

an alarm is not elv

and as i said who can check it, electricians cant, bco, cant