Car break-ins

[Harry Bloomfield]

You are going to need to build dozens of new prisons to accommodate all these extra long term prisoners,

Deportation worked well, let me see now - Australia will not have 'em..

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

So, you're saying that without the threat of prison you're the type of person who would squat in hard working folks homes & you're also highly likely to go on a rampage in Westminster?

Some people would, if there were no deterence.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

I remember the 'Yardies' in the 90's & I have to say that was pretty much the end of my involvement in that area. I'm told that it's all Albanians & Kosovo's now . . .

Sounds like you got out in time. Yes, Albanians are gangsters and very violent. We've also imported African violence with teenagers knifing other teenagers in broad daylight because they looked at them the wrong way. Import third world people, become third world.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

I've got this friend

You have friends?

 

[Captain Nemesis]

Would you be more upset if you found your teenage kids drinking a can of beer or injecting heroin?

The latter, of course, given the legal situation of beer vs heroin.

If you want a much better apples:apples comparison, try this:

If heroin was as legal as alcohol, and as freely available, and as well regulated from a sales/quality/consistency/advertising basis, and if the comparative harms were discussed openly and without bias, and health messages were as fact based for each of them, which would you rather your children became addicted to - alcohol or heroin?

 

[Captain Nemesis]

They could do something like that for cars.

What sort of car crime would that stop?

 

[EFLImpudence]

What sort of car crime would that stop?

FFS keep up. It was a sarcastic comment after someone suggested some electronic device could be installed in tools to stop them being used after being stolen.

The point was that it doesn't appear to have worked for cars - which seem even easier to steel now if you know how to do it.

 

[IT Minion]

FFS keep up. It was a sarcastic comment after someone suggested some electronic device could be installed in tools to stop them being used after being stolen.

The point was that it doesn't appear to have worked for cars - which seem even easier to steel now if you know how to do it.

All crime is up over the last decade. Car crime is just part of it.

 

[JohnD]

All crime is up over the last decade. Car crime is just part of it.

So it is.

I wonder what could have happened round about 2010 that could have reversed the previously falling trend?

Ah. That did.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

You can only think within our current system Captain N; a system of rules we have made for ourselves which prevent us from doing what's necessary. It's no wonder the taliban are laughing at us.

Ever wondered how many people are laughing at you?

Covid is a hoax. Trump is the real President.

My plans would not cost any extra money - they would save money. I would have nothing to do with the prison, police and justice system as it is now, that would all go. All the crooked lawyers and solicitors out on their arses. It need not cost a lot to run a prison, there need be no heat, light and not much food. Guards with guns and the authority to use them.

You havent thought this through very well, have you.

If you dont want the police, who will catch all these criminals that you are going to lock up for life?

And trust me - it will have to be for life, for every offence, because you are never going to be able to safely release people who you have locked up in harsh conditions, brutalised them, half-starved them, made them watch other prisoners die of hypothermia, deliberately ruined their health, and all without proper trials or access to legal services.

Do you also plan to brutalise, half-starve, permanently damage and allow to die the children of women who youve incarcerated in your brutal prisons for shoplifting or non-payment of fines, or will taxpayer expenditure be OK for them?

I wonder why you havent followed your "thinking" through to its "logical conclusion" - just arm the police and have them shoot dead anybody who might have been doing something wrong - you wouldnt need any courts or any lawyers at all then, and not even one portacabin as a lock-up, let alone islands and gulags guarded by troops. OK - youd need some unmarked mass graves, but maybe you could get the fare-dodgers to dig their own before you put a bullet in their heads?

That sort of system has been tried in other countries, and it always results in safer societies, doesnt it.

The modern British prison is not really a prison.

 

[transam]

Bring back the death penalty imo

retribution is the order of the day

 

[johnny2007]

The latter, of course, given the legal situation of beer vs heroin.

If you want a much better apples:apples comparison, try this:

If heroin was as legal as alcohol, and as freely available, and as well regulated from a sales/quality/consistency/advertising basis, and if the comparative harms were discussed openly and without bias, and health messages were as fact based for each of them, which would you rather your children became addicted to - alcohol or heroin?

As usual you answer a question with another question.
Clearly you haven't seen the devastating effects of heroin.
I remember the 80's and the addicts reduced like zombies, always on the lookout for the next fix.
I also shared a house with an alcoholic for years and I can guarantee you that the effects of alcohol don't come any closer to that of heroin, not even remotely.

 

[JohnD]

Apart from a sad and early death, you mean. Ruined families. Wasted money. Violence and aggression.

 

[fillyboy]

I also shared a house with an alcoholic for years and I can guarantee you that the effects of alcohol don't come any closer to that of heroin, not even remotely.

I've seen people lying in a pool of their own p1ss and vomit wishing death on themselves, I've known at least three people to have died directly from the effects, I've heard of many more people who have died indirectly from the effects, I've known people who have taken their own lives because of the hopelessness of their own situation where the consequences of their addiction has alienated every friend and family member they have.

Alcohol kills far more people than heroin, it's equally as addictive and freely available to all.

 

[Brigade77]

Does anyone here know that it's actually quite hard to become physically addicted to heroin?

I'm just guessing here, but I reckon most of you don't.

Did you also know that there are far more people who live a functional life whilst using heroin than there are dysfunctional people who let heroin abuse them.

I'm just guessin' here, but I reckon most of you don't have a clue about heroin.