Chain saws

[Norcon]

If you were born into that culture you'd probably be trussed up like a turkey and shoved off the platform whether you liked it or not.
No unions out there to save you.

 

[gregers]

When oh when will they make it illegal for diyers to either buy or hire these machines .
Its about time the HSE got there finger out before more lives are lost.

Agree 100 %.

I would never use one for any job.

Also the 9 inch angle grinders are a no no as they are lethal in inexperienced hands.

gota agree.years back my old gaffer expected me to use a petrol version in a trench to cut a waste pipe to a cesspit.OF COURSE I AGREED TO DO IT NOT.he did find someone who was more confidant in using them then I.

Sometimes that attitude can lose you your job.

well this attitude i have,has never been sacked from any building job ive ever had in nearly 30 years.
so i think ill keep it,if thats ok with you.

 

[gregers]

This thread is just getting stupid now.
The hi-vis safety nannies will want petrol cutquicks banned next.
If you can't use a cutquick in a hole safely then you shouldn't be in the hole with the men in the first place and should get someone to hold your hand and lead you to the site gate where you belong.
There's plenty of foreigners who will take your place.

i do agree with you,to a point.
i had no training in using such equipment and when i asked about some was told just to use and try,so i stuck to my guns,and said no.

i have a spindle moulder in my workshop,3 way machine.saw planer thicknesser and moulder.
i have never ever used it because i am not trained on that particular piece of equipment.if my manager asked for me to use it and i said no,DO you think i deserve to be escorted of the premisis?would a no mean i should lose my job?
no i dont think so.
if i used it and got hurt who would be liable,my manager or myself.
h and s is generally thought to be a P.I.A but its there for us to adhere to,it protects us all.

 

[Norcon]

i have a spindle moulder in my workshop,3 way machine.saw planer thicknesser and moulder.
i have never ever used it because i am not trained on that particular piece of equipment

I have those items in my workshop also as separate machines and have never been trained to use them. But I use them any time I need too.
If I adopted your attitude I'd have a workshop full of usless ornaments.

 

[conny]

i have a spindle moulder in my workshop,3 way machine.saw planer thicknesser and moulder.
i have never ever used it because i am not trained on that particular piece of equipment

I have those items in my workshop also as separate machines and have never been trained to use them. But I use them any time I need too.
If I adopted your attitude I'd have a workshop full of usless ornaments.

The whole point comes down to training and safety.
How would you like to come home one day and find your wife/girlfriend had bought a new kitchen gadget, decided not to read the instructions/seek training and when you walked in she was lying on the floor with her arm ripped off?
Its all common sense. If you don't know how to use a piece of machinery then you can't be sacked for refusing. Simple.

 

[Alarm]

The thought is amusing, but would she clean the blood up?

If your not trained on a piece of equipment you are entitled to ask to be trained.
HSE demand that and the correct PPE to be provided.

Law, simple as that.

 

[Alarm]

Slice of home made xmas cake or pud or mince pies - shortbread?
Getting sick of it now

 

[pred]

In this day & age, if an employer told you to use more or less any item without training & he dissmissed you if you were to refuse, then he would leave himself wide open to a large compensation claim.

 

[RedHerring2]

There are plenty of Pacific Islanders who jump head first off high towers with vines tied around their ankles.
Doesn't mean I have to take up bungee jumping.

Reminds me of a recent experience, a couple of years ago.
I was visiting friends in the Philippines, and one of them was a builder, born and bred in the UK, managing his own business here.
He had invested some of his money in demolishing a relatives single storey house in Manila and rebuilding a four storey block, kind of two masionettes, one for his relative and one for himself.
He recounted that the external renderers and painters were working from bosun's chairs. He couldn't bear to watch 'cos it frightened him.

Incidentally, his relative had been poorly with a bad ticker. A couple of years down the line and her health was much improved due to the stair climbing excercises now required. Win-win all round.

 

[Norcon]

The whole point comes down to training and safety.

Wrong.
The whole point comes down to "common sense".
If everyone who walked unto a site needed training in every machine he used then you'd have a very unproductive site.
In this day and age the unproductive are left by the wayside and the productive employed.
Arn't the government trying to clip the wings of the hse brigade?
About time too.

 

[pred]

Norcon wrote
Wrong.
The whole point comes down to "common sense".
If everyone who walked unto a site needed training in every machine he used then you'd have a very unproductive site.
In this day and age the unproductive are left by the wayside and the productive employed.
Arn't the government trying to clip the wings of the hse brigade?
About time too.[/quote]
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I could not disagree with you more, my training at RAF St Athen taught me how to work on aicraft so hopefully they didn't fall out of the sky, if you have a new roof done costing you £5k you would expect it to be done by a builder who knows what he's doing, and lastly google the HSE site & see how many people were killed last year in the building industry & howmany are now confined to wheelchairs, not all of them being insured which means our taxes have to foot the bill.

 

[LooPrEvil]

The trouble with commonsense is that people who are unfamiliar with a piece of equipment don't have the knowledge to know just how dangerous it can be.

Commonsense can come with experience.

 

[Norcon]

You're talking rubbish pred.
There's a slight difference in being trained to work on an aircraft and starting up a cutquick on a building site.
Like I said, when the man in the hole refuses to start up the cutquick he should be shown the gate.
If he didn't know what was expected of him then he shouldn't have got into the hole with the men in the first place.
Is it any wonder we only employ foreigners.

 

[RedHerring2]

Commonsense can come with experience.

It can but often doesn't.

I remember working with an old guy when I were a lad. It was before I had a licence to drive.
His way of getting uphill in his A35 van, when a lower gear should have been selected, was to depress the clutch, rev the engine and drop the clutch, still in the same gear.

I used to shrink into the seat and pretend I wasn't there.

 

[LooPrEvil]

Commonsense can come with experience.

It can but often doesn't.

I remember working with an old guy when I were a lad. It was before I had a licence to drive.
His way of getting uphill in his A35 van, when a lower gear should have been selected, was to depress the clutch, rev the engine and drop the clutch, still in the same gear.

I used to shrink into the seat and pretend I wasn't there.

You know what I mean! Dangers (or in the case of that old man: better methods) aren't always apparent to the inexperienced.