Compound mitre saw recommendations

[^woody^]

I'm now committed to fix my guard before I next use the saw. It's not right, and I can be as clumsy as anyone, so can't rely on luck or experience.

Back OT, I know several people who got the B&Q pp saw on the same deal as me and all are going strong as far as I know. 2005 the morning of live aid 2, and we raced down to the store at opening time before they were all sold out.

But whether B&Q have changed supplier for this brand, I don't know.

 

[vinn]

#12,
even more irrational nonsense, twisting my words, and then babbling on about anything but the simple fact that safety features are there to prevent accidents not as mechanical hints for rubbish theories of wisdom.

AAMOI: do you know that once you change from arguing with whats on the page then you've lost the argument - you've begun to argue about something else. No wisdom required just simple common sense.

As a further MOI dont call in others to hopefully support your nonsense - be a man & stand on your own two feet.

 

[big-all]

i think theres a lot off play on words and a bit off misunderstanding here
please dont take things so literally
we are all intelligent people here
guards and practices along with experience is what gives us safe working practices
you can have all the guards all the experience and the best practices in place and still have accidents
often a working compromise that will breach at least one off the criteria but will be the best compromise
we all have our own way off working and bending the rules as we know best sometimes we do get away with it some times we dont
sometimes we work without a problem for years some times we dont
what i am really suggesting is take a a step back and think it may be a misunderstanding

 

[cjard]

No wisdom required just simple common sense.

Back OT..

I've often thought that the sheds know they have a vested interest in selling good gear even if it's from their own brand of no-name, because a large proportion of their customer base is the weekend warrior type that doesn't necessarily have any "tool intelligence".. couple it up with customer service attitudes that replace something as faulty even if the user dropped it off a building and you're left with stuff that should be pretty good

Once upon a time BnQ were having a 3 for 2 on anything in the Magnusson range. I wanted a socket set, bro wanted a socket set, and we could hence have had anything else up to the value of a 70 quid socket set for free. Too bad all the other stuff was like "a pair of pliers for 15 quid" or a "screwdriver handle plus 20 different bits (that were all in the socket set) for 20"

So I just chose another socket set.. still got em both, complete and with nothing broken.. Ten years and at least 20 vehicles later, I'm impressed with what at the time I thought was very much an unbranded cheapo

 

[Nige F]

#12,
.

What's all this # ?

 

[John D v2.0]

I think he meant the 12th post, but being honest I couldn't be bothered to count down from the top so I just assumed it wasn't directed at me!

 

[^woody^]

#12 = dozen. Dozen make any sense.

 

[Deleted member 174758]

guards and practices along with experience is what gives us safe working practices
you can have all the guards all the experience and the best practices in place and still have accidents
often a working compromise that will breach at least one off the criteria but will be the best compromise

Guards and practices, yes, and even with them you can still have accidents - however, when you analyse accidents they are frequently down to people either disregarding their own rules or removing guards..... The point I'd like to make about safety is that if a compromise in safety terms or guarding is required then surely you should be looking into whether or not there is an alternative, safer method which you should be using instead.

Safe tools and training prevents accidents.

I can only find myself in complete agreement with that sentiment. But maybe I've been doing too many safety-related courses in recent times, so some of it has actually rubbed off!

 

[Chud]

Also important to remember is the importance of a guard will vary depending on the tool in question, there's a video on YouTube of a guy in the states that he made to highlight the danger of kickback on a table saw... He deliberately induces kickback whilst trying everything he can do stay safe (thinking the danger is the wood projectile) but craps himself when he realises how close he came to talking his fingers off.

 

[vinn]

Usually makes sense when you realise that #12 is the number after #11.
If your still struggling then locating it before #13 will really pin it down.

 

[vinn]

Chud,
What do you mean by: "the importance of a guard will vary depending on the tool in question"?
If I understand you right then thats not the case I'm afraid.
Guards carry the same importance no matter the tool - same with riving knives and push sticks etc.

My copy of: Safety in the Use of Woodworking Machines (H&S ed.1978) says, I paraphrase:
-no safety feature may be removed from a machine.
- no part of the hand is to go over or behind a table saw blade
- no part of a machine can be removed without the Mfr's approval -
- a false fence must be constructed to shield the spindle moulder cutters
- no hand must go over a planer blade.

 

[Chud]

Chud,
What do you mean by: "the importance of a guard will vary depending on the tool in question"?
If I understand you right then thats not the case I'm afraid.
Guards carry the same importance no matter the tool - same with riving knives and push sticks etc.

My copy of: Safety in the Use of Woodworking Machines (H&S ed.1978) says, I paraphrase:
-no safety feature may be removed from a machine.
- no part of the hand is to go over or behind a table saw blade
- no part of a machine can be removed without the Mfr's approval -
- a false fence must be constructed to shield the spindle moulder cutters
- no hand must go over a planer blade.

I guess a better way to put what I meant would be 'how much you get damaged if you have an accident will depend on what tool you happen to be using' - in other words some machines are likely to do you a lot more damage than others just due to what they are. From the kit I have it's my circular saw and 1/2" router that get the most respect, both are in full (safe) working order but I'm very aware of what could happen if something goes badly wrong.