Condensate pipe from boiler

[SR-71]

Hi Everyone,

I was hoping some of you may help. Our insinkerator has broken down so I've plumbed in a new one (of different size). The problem I have is where it is now ok to situate the condensate pipe. I'm not sure if I can put it into one of the 'Y' arms which would be opposite the washing machine or whether I can put it into the black fitting above the waste pipe. (putting it in black fitting at top would be my personal preference).

Of course if there's a blockage the waste water will go up the condensate pipe to the boiler however as you can see in the photo its quite a long run along the walls of the kitchen and then up to the boiler (approximately 3+ metres in total.) I'm also not sure regarding pressures etc. where it should fit and preferably want to us the fittings I already have which are in place. Photos show how it was and how it is now (I have new 22mm pipe and some elbow fittings). Many thanks!

 

[muggles]

The condensate pipe is classed as being part of the flue system and should therefore only be worked on by Gas Safe Registered engineers

 

[SR-71]

Really? It has already been worked on at the boiler side which isn't being touched But that doesn't really answer my question above, otherwise you'd give that answer to everyone asking on this forum when it's a question on boilers. This is merely a question on the plumbing part of the waste pipe.

 

[muggles]

We're not allowed to give advice on how to work on things that affect the safety of the boiler - that's the forum rule. No advice on gas work, no advice on working on the flue system, including the entire condensate run. You shouldn't operate your boiler with the condensate not plumbed in - it could cause flue gases including carbon monoxide to enter the room, which could be terminal for your health

Lots of people on the forum are regularly told to leave their boilers alone. Some aspects of some boilers can be safely worked on without professional knowledge, but this never includes the gas or flue systems.

The answer to your question, therefore, is to get a GSR pro in. That's the only answer forum rules permit

 

[SR-71]

Andrew, firstly this does not affect the safety of the boiler. The system is already plumbed in as is the condensate pipe. All I'm asking for is some advice as to the best location in the waste stack that this can be replumbed into. This does not affect the safety of the boiler as it is not doing something new. The condensate pipe everyone knows has to either go outside into a drain or internally into the main waste pipe. This isn't working on the boiler system it's simply getting an idea as to which is the best part of the waste stack to plumb it into now that the layout has changed slightly. If you look at the rest of the forum you'll see tons of these types of questions asked yet I don't see you nor anyone else policing these posts. I'd be interested in getting a few other third party opinions please. PS. the condensate pipe IS plumbed in, it's just not terminated into the new waste pipe stack.

 

[Phill Peck]

Andrew, firstly this does not affect the safety of the boiler. The system is already plumbed in as is the condensate pipe. All I'm asking for is some advice as to the best location in the waste stack that this can be replumbed into. This does not affect the safety of the boiler as it is not doing something new. The condensate pipe everyone knows has to either go outside into a drain or internally into the main waste pipe. This isn't working on the boiler system it's simply getting an idea as to which is the best part of the waste stack to plumb it into now that the layout has changed slightly. If you look at the rest of the forum you'll see tons of these types of questions asked yet I don't see you nor anyone else policing these posts. I'd be interested in getting a few other third party opinions please. PS. the condensate pipe IS plumbed in, it's just not terminated into the new waste pipe stack.

You are incorrect. Condense pipe is part of the flue system you are working on it
If you were a gas engineer you wouldn't need to ask the question.

 

[Phill Peck]

PS. the condensate pipe IS plumbed in, it's just not terminated into the new waste pipe stack.

This is the pet that makes it potentially dangerous and why you shouldn't use the boiler.

 

[Aquaheat]

Of course if there's a blockage the waste water will go up the condensate pipe to the boiler

Andrew, firstly this does not affect the safety of the boiler.

I think you'll find it does.

Now please listen to advice that has been given and get it done properly as it's obvious that you don't fall into the category of being competent.

Jon

 

[muggles]

I'd be interested in getting a few other third party opinions please.

You now have two, who both agree with me. You clearly don't understand that you've created an unsafe situation. Now please stop messing with things you're not competent to deal with and call a professional. In the meantime, turn your boiler off as it's currently not safe to use if the second picture represents the current situation

 

[Steelmasons]

The condense discharge originally terminated into the waste pipe upstream of trap water seal....I think the OP would would of had a problem before now...
Some of you guys need to take off the Gestapo uniform and chill out..

 

[SR-71]

Regarding the other two posters who claim that my current setup is 'unsafe' may I please refer you to HHIC Industry guidance for installers on condensate drainage pipe installation quoting the following:

In some instances (e.g. where an elderly person’s heating needs to be reinstated as an emergency measure) condensate drainage pipes may have been cut in order to bypass any blockage and allow re-ignition of the boiler, with condensate being collected in a suitable container as a temporary solution.
While not unsafe, this is not recommended practice and if such action has been taken then the condensate drainage pipe must be reinstated as soon as possible, using the above guidance to reduce risk of freezing in future.
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Whilst I have not had a blockage my setup is such that I am in a similar situation. Nothing has changed on the boiler end, which is currently working fine! The plumbing pipes setup has changed slightly so worse case scenario there may be a small leak here or there (in the new waste sink trap kit) or the condensate will go everywhere, and it isn't as it's draining into a container, temporarily!

Regarding me being incompetent, I'd say I'm pretty clever coming this far and fitting the insinkerator and new plumbing in without having any leaks. Whilst I appreciate you guys are Pros I am also not an idiot, and this particular issue I have isn't such that I need to have a plumbing degree.

Again, the simple question I want to know is whether I plumb the condensate pipe into the top of the black tee connector at the top of the stack (where potentially the condensate flows into the insinkerator waste pipe) or lower down into one of the 'Y' arms opposite the washing machine outlet pipe, or whether it won't make a difference, - as my only concern was the overflow for the sink was connected into the middle of the condensate pipe before, and I wasn't sure if this was done so as to create an air gap. That bit of technical knowledge I don't have - but what I'm asking for is not a life/death situation that necessarily requires me to get a GSR pro in.

p.s. Am in going to be in trouble for using solvent weld connectors or should I use the 'push-fit' types which are for incompetent people?

 

[muggles]

Crack on then

 

[Phill Peck]

Have to say your quoted section is shocking advice
It IS POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS depending on the boiler

As above crack on

No it shouldn't be connected to the black bit. It was wrong before, as GW points out.
Tee it in down steam of the trap

 

[Phill Peck]

Some of you guys need to take off the Gestapo uniform and chill out..

But I don't have any friends and no one respects me, so I like to come in here and boss people around

 

[Aquaheat]

Regarding the other two posters who claim that my current setup is 'unsafe' may I please refer you to HHIC Industry guidance for installers on condensate drainage pipe installation quoting the following

In some instances (e.g. where an elderly person’s heating needs to be reinstated as an emergency measure) condensate drainage pipes may have been cut in order to bypass any blockage and allow re-ignition of the boiler, with condensate being collected in a suitable container as a temporary solution.
While not unsafe, this is not recommended practice and if such action has been taken then the condensate drainage pipe must be reinstated as soon as possible, using the above guidance to reduce risk of freezing in future. :

Our insinkerator has broken down so I've plumbed in a new one (of different size). The problem I have is where it is now ok to situate the condensate pipe.

So this is your EMERGENCY? Don't think you have got the grasp of an actual emergency.

Whilst I have not had a blockage my setup is such that I am in a similar situation.

No you're not. You f00ked up your plumbing without giving due thought to what you may be disturbing hence why you are on here now hoping that we will mop up your mistakes.

The plumbing pipes setup has changed slightly so worse case scenario there may be a small leak here or there (in the new waste sink trap kit) or the condensate will go everywhere, and it isn't as it's draining into a container, temporarily!

Awesome!! You must be so proud. I love changing pipework and only having a slight leak here or there. I always class that as a good day!

Regarding me being incompetent, I'd say I'm pretty clever

Very debatable.

I am also not an idiot

Again debatable

fitting the insinkerator and new plumbing in without having any leaks.

You said before you had some here and there.

That bit of technical knowledge I don't have - but what I'm asking for is not a life/death situation that necessarily requires me to get a GSR pro in.

So if you don't have that technical knowledge what makes you believe that you can produce end results that are safe?

Regarding me being incompetent,

Enough said!!!

Your posts are so full of contradiction and you have zero idea about what you are on about let alone what you should actually be doing. Anyway, please follow the advice given.

Crack on then

As above crack on

And crack on from me. I mean.... whats the worst that can happen.

Yet another DIYD!ckhead

Jon