Oh, I thought you had to have sex as well before it could be a rape.joe-90 said:
Never mind, when I'm next out with the wife I'll tell her she only gets one drink or I would be taking advantage!
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Never mind, when I'm next out with the wife I'll tell her she only gets one drink or I would be taking advantage!
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thorny one this... (vague pun not intendedtoffee said:
), if you apply your annalogy to theft, you are drunk, you invite a mate round to your house, she says how she has been hard up lately, etc, and you feeling benevolent in your drunken state* give her a £100, could you then say that that you weren't of sound mind the night before and that she stole it (ok...for those of you who are predantic, the mate was driving home, so stayed sober)* The only time I've been known to give money to homeless people on the street was when I was a bit drunk...
And up until a few years back IIRC, it would have not been possible for it to have been, yes, you could force your partner to have sex using a threat of violence, and as long as you were married to them, it wasn't rape, the law has changed now (AFAIK anyway)
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Well, i think the govt has turned on to the idea that some women do go out just to get completely out of their heads, and some also go out with the intention of getting with a guy. How can these women be relied upon to remember EXACTLY what happened the night before. They might say they had been raped, but then they may just not remember giving consent, in the drunk / semi-conscious state they were in. Sometimes, they leave themselves wide open to it.
One of my mates goes out and might drink 2 bottles of wine in one night. She gets completely out of her head, and she is a very sexy lass, big boobs etc and this attracts all the chav scum who she says "oh he's alrite this guy" and "how ya doin?" when clearly they are complete boneheads only after one thing, and she hardlt knows them. I have told her about how she shouldn't get so drunk because she is leaving herself wide open to all kinds of d-heads, but she wont have it. Its only a matter of time. I will stay with her until her chav "mates" get so rowdy they start picking fights with each other over her, which she thinks is a good laugh, then i just go home. I aint putting myself at risk of violence, im not exactly built like a brick 5h1t house.
One of my mates goes out and might drink 2 bottles of wine in one night. She gets completely out of her head, and she is a very sexy lass, big boobs etc and this attracts all the chav scum who she says "oh he's alrite this guy" and "how ya doin?" when clearly they are complete boneheads only after one thing, and she hardlt knows them. I have told her about how she shouldn't get so drunk because she is leaving herself wide open to all kinds of d-heads, but she wont have it. Its only a matter of time. I will stay with her until her chav "mates" get so rowdy they start picking fights with each other over her, which she thinks is a good laugh, then i just go home. I aint putting myself at risk of violence, im not exactly built like a brick 5h1t house.
can I just say that that is the whole point.
A person (any person) can not give true consent when under the influence of alcohol or drugs.
You see, the effect of the acohol or drug... alters various systems in the body and can promote a reaction... (which loosely translates to .. im up for it) that would not have happened minus the drugs.
So, its not a tur informed, controlled. yes ill do it>
I could do a 2hour slot here on the subject of this.....(and a powerpoint!!)
seriously.. this is such a difficult one...
A person (any person) can not give true consent when under the influence of alcohol or drugs.
You see, the effect of the acohol or drug... alters various systems in the body and can promote a reaction... (which loosely translates to .. im up for it) that would not have happened minus the drugs.
So, its not a tur informed, controlled. yes ill do it>
I could do a 2hour slot here on the subject of this.....(and a powerpoint!!)
seriously.. this is such a difficult one...
so
i have 3 sons and all are playing out at the weekends all of them use different methods to attract the opposite sex all have there own guidlines on what is ok and what isnt
but
what if both partys are totally drunk and sex happens > WHO RAPED WHO this is the thing that will never be sorted its all down to some sad old spinster wantng higher prosecution rates
if you go back to someones flat / house / backlane and start the cuddling and kissing and your both drunk its going to go all the way ( gravity could have a say )
my youngest son uses his moblie i am told to make sure the BIRD said yes ?
more like a porn show for his m8s but proofs proof
i have 3 sons and all are playing out at the weekends all of them use different methods to attract the opposite sex all have there own guidlines on what is ok and what isnt
but
what if both partys are totally drunk and sex happens > WHO RAPED WHO this is the thing that will never be sorted its all down to some sad old spinster wantng higher prosecution rates
if you go back to someones flat / house / backlane and start the cuddling and kissing and your both drunk its going to go all the way ( gravity could have a say )
my youngest son uses his moblie i am told to make sure the BIRD said yes ?
more like a porn show for his m8s but proofs proof
slogger, it is very difficult and drunken sex will always happen and thats ok and fun most of the time.
Just remind your boys that even if he videos the girl saying yes, it is pointless if she is drunk.
True consent cannot be given when a person is drunk remember.
My three boys are too young for sex but Im going to explain to them when they do start going out that they need to have safe sex and also that if they have sex when they are drunk themselves and/ or the other person is drunk they run the risk of being accused of rape or becoming raped themselves.
If they are in relationship with a girl then it is unlikely that this would happen.
If they go out and have sex as drunken one offs all the time then they will KNOW in advance that this carries more than just a risk of VD.
Just remind your boys that even if he videos the girl saying yes, it is pointless if she is drunk.
True consent cannot be given when a person is drunk remember.
My three boys are too young for sex but Im going to explain to them when they do start going out that they need to have safe sex and also that if they have sex when they are drunk themselves and/ or the other person is drunk they run the risk of being accused of rape or becoming raped themselves.
If they are in relationship with a girl then it is unlikely that this would happen.
If they go out and have sex as drunken one offs all the time then they will KNOW in advance that this carries more than just a risk of VD.
toffee said:
Make sure they know before you think they need to. Not after.
Can anyone remind me how much the Family Suport Agency (is that right?) will take off you. And how that compares to the payments on a car (which they might prefer to spend their money on).
Well I suppose if this campaign saves 1 rape then it's a success!
Every person looking for a good time will just have to wear a Chasitity Belt. You can never get a key in a lock when you are drunk!!
On a more serious note, the more parents are involved with creating awareness and preparing their children to be responsible adults the better.
Think this campaign means well, it's probably just cleverly prevoking peoples opinions to raise the profile of this very tricky subject.
Every person looking for a good time will just have to wear a Chasitity Belt. You can never get a key in a lock when you are drunk!!
On a more serious note, the more parents are involved with creating awareness and preparing their children to be responsible adults the better.
Think this campaign means well, it's probably just cleverly prevoking peoples opinions to raise the profile of this very tricky subject.
I think your right.
Another hindrance with this subject is that it is often driven by staunch feminist extremists who can come across as man haters.
This just takes the cause backwards.
My opinion is that awareness is the key and taking more personal responsibility for your own actions and safety.
The impetus should be on both sexes.
I wonder how far society, and the law, should go towards protecting people from the downside of their own stupid behaviour?
Spiking drinks is one thing, but simply getting drunk is something entirely self-inflicted.
A driver could never say "I didn't mean to drive, your honour, it's just that I was too drunk to make a proper decision, and therefore I cannot be said to have made that decision".
It's a tricky area, I agree, but this new law isn't going to help, and is worrying in that it enshrines the notion that people can act irresponsibly when drunk and then be protected against the results of their irresponsible behaviour.
We should be making people accept more responsibility for their own actions, not providing them with more ways to take less.
Spiking drinks is one thing, but simply getting drunk is something entirely self-inflicted.
A driver could never say "I didn't mean to drive, your honour, it's just that I was too drunk to make a proper decision, and therefore I cannot be said to have made that decision".
It's a tricky area, I agree, but this new law isn't going to help, and is worrying in that it enshrines the notion that people can act irresponsibly when drunk and then be protected against the results of their irresponsible behaviour.
We should be making people accept more responsibility for their own actions, not providing them with more ways to take less.
ban-all-sheds said:
Hear hear
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"It's a tricky area, I agree, but this new law isn't going to help, and is worrying in that it enshrines the notion that people can act irresponsibly when drunk and then be protected against the results of their irresponsible behaviour.
We should be making people accept more responsibility for their own actions, not providing them with more ways to take less."
exactly ...
btw have you seen the new adverts aimed at the lady binge drinkers ,being shown at the pictures ...telling them that very message ...
"It's a tricky area, I agree, but this new law isn't going to help, and is worrying in that it enshrines the notion that people can act irresponsibly when drunk and then be protected against the results of their irresponsible behaviour.
We should be making people accept more responsibility for their own actions, not providing them with more ways to take less."
exactly ...
btw have you seen the new adverts aimed at the lady binge drinkers ,being shown at the pictures ...telling them that very message ...
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