Corbyn criticised by his own mps about Russia

[Notch7]

Jeremy Corbyns spin doctor is Seamus Milne.

He is anti West and pro Russia and pro Putin.

The fact Corbyn has given him such a prominent position in his team is an insight into Corbyn underlying reason for not fully condemning Russia.

Milne, 58, is a vocal critic of western governments. He has written defences of what he regards as the positive aspects of the Soviet Union. He blames Nato for the current Ukraine crisis, not Russia. And he has argued that the US brought 9/11 on itself

 

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Corbyn appears to be anti U.K / U.S / Nato .

Corbyn surrounds him self with extremist fruit cake advisers imo

If he gets in power he will probably disband the intelligence services

 

[TicTac]

The chemical nerve agent may have been disguised as a gift , that was brought into the country by his daughter

The novichock nerve agents are a 2 part substance that are both inert till mixed, then they become active. They could have been put on the door handles of the car, one part either side, and then at some point, they would have touched hands etc, and it would have become active.

Show me hard evidence Russia did this and I'll reconsider.

You'll never get hard evidence, but on a balance of probabilities, they're involved. It's a Russian developed nerve agent, used on Russian double agent that betrayed his own side. If it was the Russian Mafia, they'd have shot him, but the use a nerve agent, sends a particular type of message that can only come from somewhere in the government.

 

[HawkEye244]

may be so .

But one opinion is that his daughter brought it into the UK ? so if that was the case ? what was his daughters movements prior to coming to the UK ?

doubt if she went out side of Russia ? so if they are correct ? then who else has this nerve agent may well be irrelevant ?

If the above can be proved then its the russian state / Putin ??

Putting 2 and 2 and making 10.

Where's the evidence?

 

[HawkEye244]

The novichock nerve agents are a 2 part substance that are both inert till mixed, then they become active. They could have been put on the door handles of the car, one part either side, and then at some point, they would have touched hands etc, and it would have become active.



You'll never get hard evidence, but on a balance of probabilities, they're involved. It's a Russian developed nerve agent, used on Russian double agent that betrayed his own side. If it was the Russian Mafia, they'd have shot him, but the use a nerve agent, sends a particular type of message that can only come from somewhere in the government.

If the nerve agent was developed as far back as the 70s/80s it could have come from anywhere don't you think ?

 

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If the nerve agent was developed as far back as the 70s/80s it could have come from anywhere don't you think ?

possibly ? but none the less

investigators are working on the theory that Yulia Skripal had the toxin hidden in an item of clothing , in cosmetics , or a gift item which was then opened

in the house ?? this would mean that the Skripals would be assassins never entered the U.K.

IF the above is correct then it was brought over by her into the UK from Russia ? unless she visited some other country prior to coming to the UK ?

that an the Palonium caper points a finger at the \Russian state.

 

[Notch7]

Where's the evidence?

Well they knew she had just flown back from Moscow.

I think only Russia have capability to make Novichok

The use of a Novichok in the attack on the Skripals makes it highly likely that Russia was involved, because no one else knows how to make them, says John Lamb at Birmingham City University, UK. “The Novichok family was specifically created by Russia to be unknown in the West and as such it’ll be one of their most tightly guarded secrets,” he says.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2163502-what-are-novichok-nerve-agents-and-did-russia-do-it/

 

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In any case I doubt that any one can say 100% certain that is was the Russian state , un-less Putin fess's up

There should be some type of international protocol or agreement on how states should carry out assasinations or bump off traitors ? and using nerve agents and radioactive material should be on the no no list.

 

[HawkEye244]

Some of you fellas should listen to yourselves occasionally lol

 

[Notch7]

I understand the samples of the nerve agent that were taken were only blood samples. the active part may break down quite quickly.

Therefore the Russians stating they need samples for testing is probably not realistic.

 

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Some of you fellas should listen to yourselves occasionally lol

tis all good for a it will all blow over eventually with the Russians and it will be back to normal , either that or there will be some type of military confrontation.

DIY bomb shelters are selling well in Japan.


any one going to the world cup may be best advised to stay away ?? Them Russian gangs / football hooligans appear to be well organised

perhaps way r bee is going

 

[HawkEye244]

Don't think we can compete with their hooligans now ours have gone soft, seeing as the MET have cracked down on troublemakers in football over the past 10 years

 

[TicTac]

If the nerve agent was developed as far back as the 70s/80s it could have come from anywhere don't you think

Yeah, always possible; hence it can't really be proved one way or the other. But if the Russians produced it, and they didn't use it, then they've lost control of it. Governments use nerve agents, and everyone else uses simpler methods like guns knives and bombs, so it's still reasonable to assume Russias to blame somewhere along the line. Sometimes, 2 plus 2 does make 4.

 

[KenGMac]

Looks as if Corbin has played a very good long game so far??

Everyone in the Government, up to and including the BBC have been shouting from the roof tops, Russia to blame, Russia to blame, naughty, naughty Russia [For Russia, read Vladimir]

But, in this type of shall I call it exceptionally very, very, very High stakes game, what you need is categorical absolute copper bottomed PROOF ?

Our [English] Government has IMO jumped the gun in so far that in a headlong dash to point the finger it has missed a potentially huge opportunity firmly and conclusively Russia [Nee Putin] OR?? whoever was responsible by sending samples of the agent, plus bloods all around the world to have independently verified
1/. What the agent was?
2/. Which establishment made it [signatures in the material will confirm this ]
3/. given the signature markers present it can then be proved without any doubt who actually made the material

Once the above has been proven by neutral well established independent third parties can our Government go after the perpertators.

Given this material used was a Weapons grade, banned by international convention, and I believe that the USSR told the world that all stock pipes of this material had been destroyed??? where dis it come from?
1/. A disgruntled KGB official?
2/. Some sort of Russian Mafia?
3/. One of the old USSR satellite states, now supposedly autonomous.

The road our [English] Government has chosen is against international signed treaties as regards Chemical Weapons agreements, the UK are signatories the UK are NOT abiding by this convention???

OK all indicators are pointing singularly in one direction, guess where??

But without completely overwhelming totally irrefutable third party PROOF we as a Country have as previously jumped the gun??

In the long run Corbin may, having not followed the headlong dash won a sweetie?

Thought get proof before accusation?

Ken

 

[TicTac]

In the long run Corbin may, having not followed the headlong dash won a sweetie?

Always possible, but unlikely. Polls show two to one against wanting him in charge in such a crisis. You can always apologise later for having made an incorrect assumption, but sometimes, you wait to push the big red button, and you find the other guys have already pushed theirs.