bas how did you know what i do for a living, 
cough please
cough please 
Council Tax
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Fuccough.
you've got the all clear i'm pleased to say, please pay on your way out.
please pay on your way out.
Is it alright if I just leave a deposit?
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as long as you clean it up afterwards[With some modifications it might well be a fairer way as your example of the five wage earners illustrates. But then you could have the other example of someone living in a Millionaire's mansion paying the same as someone living in a bedsit. Or if it was also wage related how many ways would you then modify it to try to make it fairer? There's always going to be someone not happy with the change. Its a tricky one.[/quote]
I take your point Noodlz but with a local tax wouldnt the Millionaire pay proportionately the same as everybody else.
On another point how it possible to have a discussion on council taxes and end up talking about testicles? on the other hand!
I take your point Noodlz but with a local tax wouldnt the Millionaire pay proportionately the same as everybody else.
On another point how it possible to have a discussion on council taxes and end up talking about testicles? on the other hand!
Maybe a local tax in additional to a flat poll tax could maybe make it proportionately fairer. But based on what...income, property value, wealth? The successful application of any system is the tough thing...look at how little Rupert Murdoch's News International Group pay in taxes in comparison to profits...not much! The richest will usually pay less tax proportionately with clever use of tax avoidance.
****? presume you're refering to BAS's tackle? Apparently its on everyone's lips
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as an old sckool socialist /union man from the Gas board...
I believe in the ideals of the origional poll tax idea from the medieval times ..where the person was accessed an payed by how poor or rich he/she was ..
thatch=C**T just killed the idea by making poor old lady pay same as rich yuppie ,lol remember them they run B'liars UK GOVT now
I believe in the ideals of the origional poll tax idea from the medieval times ..where the person was accessed an payed by how poor or rich he/she was ..
thatch=C**T just killed the idea by making poor old lady pay same as rich yuppie ,lol remember them they run B'liars UK GOVT now
I'd support a change to scrapping council tax and introducing a local purchase tax. That way you have a tax on DISPOSABLE income, rather than absolute income, allowing for those with a bit spare to put a bit more into the community that they live in. (and, of course, with a wife and three kids I don't have much disposable income so I'd be a net winner ).
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How would you deal with:
1) Second or multiple homes?
2) Internet, mail order, and other distance purchases?
1) Second or multiple homes?
2) Internet, mail order, and other distance purchases?
In reverse order.....
2) Given that everything ordered will have a Postcode, the onus is on the seller to collect the relevant tax and pass it onto the relevant authority. Impossible to police completely, I know, but even if someone chose to live their purchasing life completely online, the majority would be from 'legit' companies such as Tesco so even though that occasional motherboard from Japan will slip through the net, I think a high proportion of the tax will be collected.
1) Harder - In my opinion, second homes that are left empty in small villages are a huge problem anyway. Every empty home is a home that is not using the local school, the local shop, the local pub, the local Post Office etc., and contributing to them shutting down. Not to mention driving up local house prices and pricing people with no home out of the market, so I would like to get rid of them anyway, or at least should attract a 200% council tax rate, rather than 25%, to make up for the damage they do to the local economy. I guess it would need studying as to how much revenue could be collected in local purchase tax and exactly how widespread the problem of 2nd home owners really is, before deciding how to factor this is in i.e. Just because I believe they are a big problem, doesn't mean they really are...
2) Given that everything ordered will have a Postcode, the onus is on the seller to collect the relevant tax and pass it onto the relevant authority. Impossible to police completely, I know, but even if someone chose to live their purchasing life completely online, the majority would be from 'legit' companies such as Tesco so even though that occasional motherboard from Japan will slip through the net, I think a high proportion of the tax will be collected.
1) Harder - In my opinion, second homes that are left empty in small villages are a huge problem anyway. Every empty home is a home that is not using the local school, the local shop, the local pub, the local Post Office etc., and contributing to them shutting down. Not to mention driving up local house prices and pricing people with no home out of the market, so I would like to get rid of them anyway, or at least should attract a 200% council tax rate, rather than 25%, to make up for the damage they do to the local economy. I guess it would need studying as to how much revenue could be collected in local purchase tax and exactly how widespread the problem of 2nd home owners really is, before deciding how to factor this is in i.e. Just because I believe they are a big problem, doesn't mean they really are...
#2 - that means that a person would pay tax on the basis of where he lives, irrespective of where he shops - the opposite of what would happen if he did the shopping in person.
Would your tax rate be the same everywhere, in which case who would set it and how, or would it vary from place to place, in which case how would you deal with the situation of large supermarkets setting up shops on the borders of low-tax areas in order to attract customers from high-tax ones, and possibly exacerbating the problem of them sucking trade from local shops?
Would your tax rate be the same everywhere, in which case who would set it and how, or would it vary from place to place, in which case how would you deal with the situation of large supermarkets setting up shops on the borders of low-tax areas in order to attract customers from high-tax ones, and possibly exacerbating the problem of them sucking trade from local shops?
Hey, I didn't say I was going to solve it all in one post, did I now.....
Any change in raising revenue is going to have winners and losers, the thinking behind it is that whilst I use up much of my resources raising the next generation of taxpayers to pay for everyone else's pensions, gritted roads and cold weather payments when they are older, therefore allowing them to benefit from my sacrifice, it seems only right that people that have chosen to have no children and spend all their cash on fancy holidays and cars and stuff put a bit more into the pot whilst they can. However, I appreciate that not everyone is going to see the above scenario in exactly the way I've just set out.
Not a phrase I will ever use in any other context but its what they do in America and seems to work. I work in Maryland and there are a whole host of liquor stores just over the line in Delaware, where the local tax on it is lower.
Any change in raising revenue is going to have winners and losers, the thinking behind it is that whilst I use up much of my resources raising the next generation of taxpayers to pay for everyone else's pensions, gritted roads and cold weather payments when they are older, therefore allowing them to benefit from my sacrifice, it seems only right that people that have chosen to have no children and spend all their cash on fancy holidays and cars and stuff put a bit more into the pot whilst they can. However, I appreciate that not everyone is going to see the above scenario in exactly the way I've just set out.
Not a phrase I will ever use in any other context but its what they do in America and seems to work. I work in Maryland and there are a whole host of liquor stores just over the line in Delaware, where the local tax on it is lower.
ban-all-sheds said:
Purchases whether on the internet or from shops are already covered by vat so the more you spend the more you pay.
If the paye income tax was increased by x soley for local authority expenditure, this could then be distributed by central government to the authorities to be spent as decided by the respective councils.
Just think of the immediate savings of local government in collecting the current council tax.
You would also do away with the large variations throughout the country in the level of council tax currently payable.
In addition those who have second homes would be paying more on their income tax as they are generally earning a lot more than the average wage.
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