Desperate times

[SammyInnit]

Well if they have lived worked and paid taxes here and become UK citizens they will not be foreigners.

That's one way to side step the argument; doesn't alter the fact by increasing the population from over seas you're increasing the burden on the healthcare system only to be later propped up by more foreign workers.

 

[SammyInnit]

Japan has a very low birthrate so that is nothing new.

As usual an unrelated topic is turned into a Brexit debate lol

Japan coz brexit innit.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

There it is.

No - what is there in this:

So could you provide anything that says there's no possibility of offering a visa to people applying to fill positions where there is a skill or labour void regardless of 'proposed' starting salary?​

is anything but a case that when people's biggest reason for voting to leave was "immigration", and there were repeated promises by the party that kept getting voted for to bring net migration down to the tens of thousands, there wasn't a desire to drastically curtail it?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

And

Nor.

 

[SammyInnit]

No - what is there in this:

So could you provide anything that says there's no possibility of offering a visa to people applying to fill positions where there is a skill or labour void regardless of 'proposed' starting salary?​

is anything but a case that when people's biggest reason for voting to leave was "immigration", and there were repeated promises by the party that kept getting voted for to bring net migration down to the tens of thousands, there wasn't a desire to drastically curtail it?

Continually repeating the same bullshit based on nothing other than your own presumption doesn't make it any more credible. I don't believe anyone campaigned for a complete end to immigration. Unless you can show otherwise please stop quoting me.

 

[durhamplumber]

Continually repeating the same bullshit based on nothing other than your own presumption doesn't make it any more credible. I don't believe anyone campaigned for a complete end to immigration. Unless you can show otherwise please stop quoting me.

Well said.

 

[durhamplumber]

Japan has a very low birthrate so that is nothing new.

As usual an unrelated topic is turned into a Brexit debate lol

They cannot help themselves

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Unless you can show otherwise please stop quoting me.

I'll stop quoting you when you stop posting.

But until then I am perfectly within my rights to quote you, especially when you wilfully ignore or misrepresent what I write.

You said "absolutely no reason to suggest post brexit the UK wouldn't allow inward migration as it needs to fill these positions"

I pointed out that there were indeed - the combination of the #1 reason people had for voting leave, i.e. the #1 thing that 17.4M people wanted, and this in the Tory manifesto:

Those really are very good reasons to suggest that post Brexit the UK wouldn't allow inward migration as it needs to fill these positions.


You then tried to make out I was claiming that the views of leave voters meant that all immigration should stop. [Word of advice - don't judge everybody by your own standards when deciding what nonsense you think other people will swallow.]

So I asked you to try and make a case that when people's biggest reason for voting to leave was "immigration", and there were promises by the party that kept getting voted for to bring net migration down to the tens of thousands, there wasn't a desire to drastically curtail immigration.

And you thought you'd be clever (hint - you were the opposite) by ignoring that request and trying to make out that as I agreed that the voting motives didn't equate to stopping all migration that the matter was closed.

I challenged you about the way you hadn't even tried to make a case showing no desire to drastically curtail immigration, and all you did was to repeat.

"So could you provide anything that says there's no possibility of offering a visa to people applying to fill positions where there is a skill or labour void regardless of 'proposed' starting salary?"

And whether you think people here will accept your prevarication as true and honest or not, that really is not a case which shows that there was no desire in leave voters to drastically curtail immigration.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I don't believe anyone campaigned for a complete end to immigration. Unless you can show otherwise please stop quoting me.

And I've not claimed that anyone did campaign for that. Unless you can show otherwise stop insulting everybody's intelligence by acting as if they will believe you when you make out that I did.

 

[SammyInnit]

I'll stop quoting you when you stop posting.

But until then I am perfectly within my rights to quote you, especially when you wilfully ignore or misrepresent what I write.

You said "absolutely no reason to suggest post brexit the UK wouldn't allow inward migration as it needs to fill these positions"

I pointed out that there were indeed - the combination of the #1 reason people had for voting leave, i.e. the #1 thing that 17.4M people wanted, and this in the Tory manifesto:

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Those really are very good reasons to suggest that post Brexit the UK wouldn't allow inward migration as it needs to fill these positions.


You then tried to make out I was claiming that the views of leave voters meant that all immigration should stop. [Word of advice - don't judge everybody by your own standards when deciding what nonsense you think other people will swallow.]

So I asked you to try and make a case that when people's biggest reason for voting to leave was "immigration", and there were promises by the party that kept getting voted for to bring net migration down to the tens of thousands, there wasn't a desire to drastically curtail immigration.

And you thought you'd be clever (hint - you were the opposite) by ignoring that request and trying to make out that as I agreed that the voting motives didn't equate to stopping all migration that the matter was closed.

I challenged you about the way you hadn't even tried to make a case showing no desire to drastically curtail immigration, and all you did was to repeat.

"So could you provide anything that says there's no possibility of offering a visa to people applying to fill positions where there is a skill or labour void regardless of 'proposed' starting salary?"

And whether you think people here will accept your prevarication as true and honest or not, that really is not a case which shows that there was no desire in leave voters to drastically curtail immigration.

So what's your point? One of the biggest single issues was immigration. The Tories can't reduce that number while we're an EU member.

 

[durhamplumber]

Nor.

Nor?

 

[durhamplumber]

You then tried to make out I was claiming that the views of leave voters meant that all immigration should stop. [Word of advice - don't judge everybody by your own standards when deciding what nonsense you think other people will swallow.]

So I asked you to try and make a case that when people's biggest reason for voting to leave was "immigration", and there were promises by the party that kept getting voted for to bring net migration down to the tens of thousands, there wasn't a desire to drastically curtail immigration.

And you thought you'd be clever (hint - you were the opposite) by ignoring that request and trying to make out that as I agreed that the voting motives didn't equate to stopping all migration that the matter was closed.

Give it a rest.

 

[JohnD]

The Tories can't reduce that number while we're an EU member.

Are you implying that leaving the EU will cause immigration to drop?

That was one of the lies spread by the anti-EU campaigners prior to the referendum (but disowned the day after).

 

[SammyInnit]

Are you implying that leaving the EU will cause immigration to drop?

I'm implying nothing but the fact that the Tories can't reduce that number while we're an EU member.

 

[JohnD]

while we're an EU member.

What are you implying by that?