DIY gas thread - I'm confused

[boolie]

Also remember that holding a qualification is no proof of competence. The proof is actually in the pudding.. there is no other cast iron way of proving competence

 

[denso13]

Nope it doesn't work that way.

Of course it does.

Joe isn't the only one to get away with a crime.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/aug/15/prosecutions-england-wales

"Richard Atkins QC, the chair of Bar Council, which represents barristers in England and Wales, said: “Criminals up and down the country will be rubbing their hands with glee knowing that even if their crimes are detected and they are caught by the police, the chances of them being prosecuted or jailed are slim."

 

[denso13]

Also remember that holding a qualification is no proof of competence.

It is in the eyes of the law.

 

[Deleted member 267285]

You 2 still quarrelling about this? Get a room

 

[boolie]

Sorry but a piece of paper with your name and a stamp on it does not prove competence. Countless people have first hand experience of incompetent work by people with certificates coming out of their ears

Competence can only be proved by a successful body of work. Which is why my advice has always been to hire people who have a proven backlog of work - don't rely on their certificates

 

[denso13]

Sorry but piece of paper with your name and a stamp on it does not prove competence.

It does in the context of this "discussion" regarding the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998.

I'm not going to prolong this but I've shown you the legal position on competence. If you counter that with reasoned argument then fine, but not your "I didn't blow my house up therefore I am competent" nonsense.

For what it's worth I agree with most of this....

Countless people have first hand experience of incompetent work by people with certificates coming out of their ears

Competence can only be proved by a successful body of work. Which is why my advice has always been to hire people who have a proven backlog of work - don't rely on their certificates

 

[denso13]

You 2 still quarrelling about this? Get a room

Sorry it's either this or cut the grass!!

 

[boolie]

I wonder if there's anyone who works for the HSE in this forum - what we need is some professional legal advice (for free!). Pro's, is there a HSE person in the CC?

 

[Deleted member 267285]

I know it’s not the same as firms were involved, however it has similarities, because the installation was reported to gas safe, who visited the property and have forwarded to hse. https://www.plumbersforums.net/thre...n-nightmare-advice.121801/page-3#post-1117748

 

[bernardgreen]

Seems there are four "classifications" for those who work on gas equipment and pipes

[3] Registered and Competent
[2] Registered and Not Competent
[1] Not Registered and Competent
[0] Not Registered and Not Competent

Class [2] are often mentioned on this forum ( as in the thread about a cap left off the sample port ).(*)
Class [1] may be "illegal" but will probably do a better job than a Class [2]

A Class [3] may occasionally act like a Class [2]

(*) Flue test point. Is this safe?

 

[boolie]

Seems there are four "classifications" for those who work on gas equipment and pipes

[3] Registered and Competent
[2] Registered and Not Competent
[1] Not Registered and Competent
[0] Not Registered and Not Competent

Class [2] are often mentioned on this forum ( as in the thread about a cap left off the sample port ).
Class [1] may be "illegal" but will probably do a better job than a Class [2]

A Class [3] may occasionally act like a Class [2]

my favourite Class [2] was the thread about 1-2 weeks ago where the professional plumbed the toilet into the central heating pipes. Every time the OP went for a dump he was scratching his head as to why the boiler was losing pressure! You couldn't make it up

 

[bernardgreen]

You couldn't make it up

You don't need to when there are "professional" makers of error and omissions.

 

[denso13]

You couldn't make it up

Have you ever made a mistake? What profession are you in?

 

[Deleted member 267285]

Have you ever made a mistake? What profession are you in?

Same question should apply to @bernardgreen

 

[Emit]

I wonder if there's anyone who works for the HSE in this forum - what we need is some professional legal advice (for free!). Pro's, is there a HSE person in the CC?

What you need is a life!