Do we need Teachers and Schools

[Deleted member 294929]

Do you know some teachers who skived off?

Ive been told by Mrs Bod. Some where brilliant in lockdiwn some not so .
Same applies in normal times.

 

[crystal ball]

Ive been told by Mrs Bod. Some where brilliant in lockdiwn some not so .
Same applies in normal times.

No proof then

 

[blup]

I think the poor students are suffering from 2 years of lockdown and lack of eduction. It's not just schools. People are increasingly working from home so new entrants to various professions are unable to work closely with others to learn.

There is a broader question as to if Teachers have the best skills to teach. Any high demand industry is not going to attract the best people to teach. e.g. why would a top business, law or IT graduate work in teaching for <1/4 of of the money?

Teaching has a far bigger problem than salary, people simply don't want to do it. It has become as big a political football as the nhs. Look at Germany where teaching is still a highly regarded profession and attracts talented graduates. Many british state schools have sixth forms where the brighter pupils are more intelligent than the teachers.

Blup

 

[Burnerman]

Like many institutions, schools are heavily stacked with management at the top end.....many without proper roles.
Huge salaries are commanded too.
New unnecessary initiatives to be attended to every year.....jumping through hoops once more. Hoy the paper in the bin.
Heard that before?
The class sizes must come down to make them more manageable but that won’t happen. I’m speaking on behalf of a fairly typical inner city comprehensive here - I can’t comment on any other type of school.
Probably the best job in the world, if you can stick it through the first few years!
John

 

[Deleted member 294929]

No proof then

No proof

 

[ellal]

Many british state schools have sixth forms where the brighter pupils are more intelligent than the teachers.

That's because most state schools are actually academies (essentially privatised entities), and they have no requirement for qualified teachers, nor do they have to follow a curriculum...

Thankfully our youngest has now followed in the footsteps of our other two and is now studying abroad...

Imagine how difficult it was for us to fork out 500 Euros for a whole year of tertiary education

And funnily enough said youngest hacked into the college computer before leaving these shores, and showed the IT guy (who actually was a PE teacher) how it was done just to prove a point!

That's how far the education system in the UK has fallen, and we have every sympathy for the teachers still in it, and for those who have left in despair!

 

[ellal]

My son got his grades today, devastated. Currently he is saying he's not doing any more school, so no idea what comes next.

Now I'm not usually one to agree with mottie , but there is more than just the proscribed educational route out there...

A decent apprenticeship is worth looking into.

 

[ellal]

I'll help you out Bod

In some schools in England, QTS (Qualified Teacher Status) is not a legal requirement*

For example:
Within the English state school sector, academy schools and free schools can employ teachers without QTS
Outside the English state school sector, private schools or independent schools can employ teachers without QTS

*That's most of them btw

All maintained schools must follow the National Curriculum at Key Stage 3 (Years 7, 8 and 9) and Key Stage 4 (Years 10 and 11).
Academies and Free Schools do not have to follow the National Curriculum*

*That's most of them btw

Independent schools do not have to follow the National Curriculum

Every day is a school day Bod

 

[blup]

Like many institutions, schools are heavily stacked with management at the top end.....many without proper roles.
Huge salaries are commanded too.
New unnecessary initiatives to be attended to every year.....jumping through hoops once more. Hoy the paper in the bin.
Heard that before?
The class sizes must come down to make them more manageable but that won’t happen. I’m speaking on behalf of a fairly typical inner city comprehensive here - I can’t comment on any other type of school.
Probably the best job in the world, if you can stick it through the first few years!
John

Huge salaries for principals and executive head teachers, new management positions positioned above the old head teacher role. All because tories wanted to move schools out of lea control. You can tell the academies because there is immediate and widespread invest in basic building maintenance, why that was not possible under lea control I don't know. Nothing against them in principle but have not seen any evidence they have higher standards, other than higher direct funding from government.

Blup

 

[ellal]

Nothing against them in principle but have not seen any evidence they have higher standards, other than higher direct funding from government.

"Council maintained schools in England outperform academies in Ofsted rankings"

"Research found 92% of council-maintained schools were ranked outstanding or good by Ofsted in January 2022, compared with 85% of academies that have been graded since they converted.

It also found only 45% of academies that were already an academy in August 2018 managed to improve standards from inadequate or requires improvement to good or outstanding, compared with 56% of council-maintained schools"

 

[JP_]

Sorry to hear that. He can do A levels in subjects he likes and he will find it totally different.

My oldest tanked his GCSEs resat a few and is now on track for a 1st at uni.

Once you find the subject fun, learning is totally different.

Yeah, the problem at the moment is getting him to agree that the thing he's good at and enjoys is the best course! Been a long stressful day, but he went out, and came home twice, so all good.