dodgy ebay buy

[JohnW2]

Fitting one looks like the screw has just vibrated loose.

Indeed..

In the case of the PIR one, there's one screw missing from the back of the lamp unit - did you remove it and take it 'out of shot'? If not, are you sure that the screw and eyelet weren't (or weren't meant to be) in that fourth hole?

Fitting two looks a bit more suspect.

It does. Do you think they may have been under the impression that it counted as Class II?

Kind Regards, John

 

[Monkeh]

It does. Do you think they may have been under the impression that it counted as Class II?

Kind Regards, John

What impression? They supposedly had it certified to EN 60598-1.

 

[JohnW2]

There's no way those units comply with EN 60598-1 as they claim.

Well, they appear to have a certificate from "Shenzhen BST Technology Co. Ltd." which says is does - so I suppose that, if it is non-compliant, the biggest finger should be pointed at that company (assuming it exists and provided the certificate), rather than at the manufacturer.

Kind Regards, John

 

[JohnW2]

It does. Do you think they may have been under the impression that it counted as Class II?

What impression? They supposedly had it certified to EN 60598-1.

As I've just written, the 'they' would be the company who did the alleged certifying. If I took some jewellery to a tester/certifier and asked 'is it gold', if they gave me a certificate saying 'yes, this is gold', I would probably be under more than just an 'impression' that such was the case.

Kind Regards, John

 

[Monkeh]

It does. Do you think they may have been under the impression that it counted as Class II?

What impression? They supposedly had it certified to EN 60598-1.

As I've just written, the 'they' would be the company who did the alleged certifying.

Kind Regards, John

Or the manufacturer supplied a properly constructed unit for certification and then just started manufacturing cheap, dangerous ones to cut costs.

 

[JohnW2]

Or the manufacturer supplied a properly constructed unit for certification and then just started manufacturing cheap, dangerous ones to cut costs.

Of course, that's always a possibility, and the certifying company have covered themselves on that one - "The certificate applies to the tested sample above mentioned only and shall not imply an assessment of the whole production". However, I guess that's a risk with any such certifying process, unless some independent body regularly tests random samples (which they obtain themselves) of production products.

Kind Regards, John

 

[Monkeh]

Either way, those are a couple of nastily thrown together units. I'd expect to at least see the off-the-shelf power supplies screwed down.

I dread to think what's under that heatshrink.

 

[JohnW2]

Either way, those are a couple of nastily thrown together units. I'd expect to at least see the off-the-shelf power supplies screwed down. I dread to think what's under that heatshrink.

No argument with any of that!

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Steve - be thankful that you found out the nature of what you bought. Send them back, get your money back, and stop buying random cheap sh*te on eBay.

If you exchange any messages with the seller, see if you think he is definitely in Enfield.

 

[stillp]

Steve - be thankful that you found out the nature of what you bought. Send them back, get your money back, and stop buying random cheap sh*te on eBay.

If you exchange any messages with the seller, see if you think he is definitely in Enfield.

Even better, take them to Trading Standards and complain about the misleading misuse of the CE marking.
The cowboy importer is committing a criminal offence.

 

[bernardgreen]

The profile for the seller dailysource states his ( or her ) location as China.

http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/dailysources?_trksid=p2047675.l2559

The Enfield address may be a dispatch only operation.

The language suggests the person is not fluent in English

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[stillp]

The offence is committed by the person responsible fro bringing them into the EU.

 

[JohnW2]

Even better, take them to Trading Standards and complain about the misleading misuse of the CE marking. The cowboy importer is committing a criminal offence.

Particularly in the case of the PIR one, can we be sure that there is a 'miselading misuse of the CE marking' or that there is a 'cowboy importer' who has commited any offences?

Admittedly they don't look like brilliant bits of engineering, and admittedly the earth connection to the metal case seems to have 'come adrift' (I guess 'shaken out') during shipping - but if that earth connection were reinstated, are there any obvious features in what we've seen of the product that make it certain that it did not comply with the Standards which it's been certified as being compliant with?

Kind Regards, John

 

[stillp]

Even better, take them to Trading Standards and complain about the misleading misuse of the CE marking. The cowboy importer is committing a criminal offence.

Particularly in the case of the PIR one, can we be sure that there is a 'miselading misuse of the CE marking' or that there is a 'cowboy importer' who has commited any offences?

Admittedly they don't look like brilliant bits of engineering, and admittedly the earth connection to the metal case seems to have 'come adrift' (I guess 'shaken out') during shipping - but if that earth connection were reinstated, are there any obvious features in what we've seen of the product that make it certain that it did not comply with the Standards which it's been certified as being compliant with?

Kind Regards, John

They are clearly electrically unsafe as delivered. The alleged existence of a test certificate from an organisation outside the EEA is not evidence of compliance. Who is the responsible person within the EEA? It is he or she who is responsible for the vailidity of the CE marking, and who must sign the EC Declaration of Conformity.

[edited to correct typos]

 

[plugwash]

I've just gone right down that page and there's two CE certificates! .

The thing with CE is that manufacturers are allowed to self certify. Unfortunately this means that companies without a significant presense in the west can get away with basically ignoring it as if the **** hits the fan there is nothing for the authorities to take.