Dual master/slave outside lights

Since it has a neutral connected likely it will work. And it is unlikely to cause danger, I would swap the three connector block and crimp for a 4 connector block and give it a try, I would bench test first in case it does not work.
 
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either can be a master,
I disagree; they are both masters (all the time).

in which case it become the master of the other lamp, which is the slave.
Well, not really. I don't think that is what the term means.
It would, if appropriate, refer to the PIRs (switches); not the lamps.


It is no different than two one-way switches operating two lamps.
If one PIR turns on the two lights; the other PIR cannot turn them off.
 
To OP.
I have heard people call the arrangement you require as 'All master', 'Master/master'. You seem to be describing quite well your requirement, using 'master/slave' and understanding they also work as 'slave/master' (ie in both directions).
From what you say, basically you have a PIR fitting capable of switching 100W, assuming the bulbs are mains voltage (and the red wire is switched mains) there is unlikely to be any issue with using one unit as a master to switch12W worth of bulbs.

As I've already mentioned I have not yet encountered any damage when used in this set-up.
The only issue will be if a second fitting linked as shown In my sketch and the PIR sensor is not suitable to have mains applied TO to red wire when operating as the slave device.
 
I disagree; they are both masters (all the time).


Well, not really. I don't think that is what the term means.
It would, if appropriate, refer to the PIRs (switches); not the lamps.


It is no different than two one-way switches operating two lamps.
If one PIR turns on the two lights; the other PIR cannot turn them off.
I believe that is the arrangement OP is seeking, ie if either or both PIRs switch on the 2 lights, they will not extinguish until both PIRs turn off. A system which has been installed in many locations and operating successfully.
 
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FWIW, the hack worked a treat :) Biggest issue was finding a couple of hours when I could work outside, when it wasn't raining. Thanks for all the help provided (y) Take care.
 
FWIW, the hack worked a treat :) Biggest issue was finding a couple of hours when I could work outside, when it wasn't raining. Thanks for all the help provided (y) Take care.
Thank you for the feedback, it makes our effort worthwhile.
 
Follow-up - fwiw I am now a ferrule-fan. Much easier than fiddling with wires that keep untwisting.
 
I currently have two outside lights, each with a PiR sensor. They have developed a fault so that the sensor only works some of the time.
This is an excellent reason for NOT using Lights with Integrated PIR sensors
I would like to replace these and reconfigure it so that I have two masters - i.e. either sensor can light both lights. Can somebody please advise on the wiring configuration? Ideally with a picture/diagram. Thanks KK.
My recommendation is to use two (or more) PIR sensors and two (or more) lights.
Place the Sensors where they are needed and
the Lights where they are needed,
making sure that the Lights do NOT shine on and affect any Sensor.

A suitable (basic) circuit is this :-

Dual Motion Sensors001.jpg


Installation of the "Isolation Switches" is recommended, since it makes it easier to adjust each PIR individually without "sensing" by the other PIR "confusing the issue".
 
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Yes I did some like that, linking switch of the PIR outputs that could be switched off for setting up purposes makes it easier. Plus if you like to sometimes use them as individual units.

You just need to verify that the outputs are thru relays rather than semiconductors which can cause a lock up on some types.
Actually if you already have the wrong type and don`t want to change them you could go to the addition of relays (probably needing a seperate housing and conductors, if space within the units is limited) .
In todays world it is probably better to get some smart ones instead though.

One I particularly remember was a fellow electrician helping me , that`s two of them on different jobs cocked things up by not following what I told them and it beggared the job up in both instances "They had a idea" Ok in itself but failed to run their "good idea" thru me before implementing it. costing cable and time rather than saving it. Aghhh. LOL.

One of those was Two corner PIR floods at the end elevation of the garage and a side wall looking down steps.
The other "half" of that one was two PIR floods near the back door, one side of which had steps too.

The instruction I`d given was to wire each one from a central point via a "plant room" sort of set up.
The consumer unit, heating valves and controls etc etc were all in this small room and it was a pretty much central point of the house.
The idea was to use a 6 gang switch.
If all switches were off then each unit was independent for setting etc.
2 or 3 of one bank of floods could be switched on in "busbar link" fashion to give links to the outputs and the other 2 could be similarly linked together for the bank of two.
That is 5 switches of the 6 gang switch.
If required the 6th switch could be used to link the two banks together.
Result intended.
A/ use independantly.
B/ use as two banks interconnected - as a bank of 2 and a bank of three.
C/ all 5 units linked .

What that electrician did was run a three core from the the plant room to the first of the three bank, then 1st to second, 2nd and 2nd to 3rd, saves time saves cable used.
The two bank was done similar fashion.
Yer Great if you always wanted them interlinked.
Seeing as we only had enough cable to do as I had planned (plus a bit spare) and I did not want to start adding junction boxes unnecessarily we pulled out all the cable and went to get a new roll of 3C & E .
Bloomin` charming I thought, I was not very happy.

Actually that same chap did a similar trick on the downlighters in the large kitchen too :mad:.
I had given him a box of the blue "click connectors" with the instruction to wire in T & E to each connector then a length of hr flex from the plug part of the connector to each individual downlight.
OK it makes the job more expensive and time consuming but testing/fault finding/alterations and additions would be a godsend.
He wired in from 1st to 2nd, from 2nd to 3rd, 3rd to 4th etc etc for the whole bank (there were 3 banks individually switched each containing approx 6 or 7 downlighters).
What he did was directly loop from the first one of each bank to 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc directly in T & E and he was pleased that he had "saved" time and money by not using the click connectors or HR flex.
Yer Great!
 
What are your thoughts on the terms Male and Female, when referring to electrical connectors?
No problem with it, not just for electrical connectors.
If we don't retain the male/female terms (which have been in use for decades, possibly centuries) we will need to come up with some new (or adopt some existing) terms and ensure they have accurate deffinitions laid down from the start.
 

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