But unlike Colston, his acts were illegal at the time. Colstons weren't. Do you not see that?
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How about if we use a statue of Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, Saddam, Gaddafi, Stalin, et al?
What they did wasn't illegal at the time.
How about Eadric Streona, Thomas Becket, Dick Turpin, Guy Fawkes, Oswald Mosely, et al?
I remember Saddam was a philanthropist, he gave lots of money to build Mosques.
Even Canaan Banana realised the offence caused by a statue of Rhodes so he had the statue moved.
But this comparison of various statues, and whether they would be offensive or not is pointless. The judgement was made about one statue. There isn't any progress to be made by going through loads of various hypothetical statues.
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Maybe deep down he felt the need to give away his ill-gotten gains.
We live by today's standards, and what is legal back then does not make it acceptable.
Homosexuality was illegal, it doesn't make it unacceptable then or now.
Taking children from their parents for nefarious reasons was legal at one time, much more recent than the 19 century, but it doesn't make it morally nor ethically acceptable.
Beating children, hanging them, transporting them halfway round the world to be used and abused, for stealing a loaf of bread was legal at one time, it doesn't make it acceptable.
There are so many examples throughout history that was 'legal' back then but are still considered abominable deeds.
Hanging, cutting up their bodies, drowning or burning women, taking children from their parents to be abused, locking away unmarried pregnant women and abusing them, taking away their children and either killing them or denying them a proper burial, etc, etc.
They were all perfectly legal back then, but attitudes change, mainly due to the awareness and education of the horrific events that unfolded, thank goodness.
Education that is denied if we don't open our eyes to the reality of history. That was all that was asked for, for ten long years.
How about if we use a statue of Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, Saddam, Gaddafi, Stalin, et al?
What they did wasn't illegal at the time.
How about Eadric Streona, Thomas Becket, Dick Turpin, Guy Fawkes, Oswald Mosely, et al?
I remember Saddam was a philanthropist, he gave lots of money to build Mosques.
Even Canaan Banana realised the offence caused by a statue of Rhodes so he had the statue moved.
But this comparison of various statues, and whether they would be offensive or not is pointless. The judgement was made about one statue. There isn't any progress to be made by going through loads of various hypothetical statues.
Maybe deep down he felt the need to give away his ill-gotten gains.
We live by today's standards, and what is legal back then does not make it acceptable.
Homosexuality was illegal, it doesn't make it unacceptable then or now.
Taking children from their parents for nefarious reasons was legal at one time, much more recent than the 19 century, but it doesn't make it morally nor ethically acceptable.
Beating children, hanging them, transporting them halfway round the world to be used and abused, for stealing a loaf of bread was legal at one time, it doesn't make it acceptable.
There are so many examples throughout history that was 'legal' back then but are still considered abominable deeds.
Hanging, cutting up their bodies, drowning or burning women, taking children from their parents to be abused, locking away unmarried pregnant women and abusing them, taking away their children and either killing them or denying them a proper burial, etc, etc.
They were all perfectly legal back then, but attitudes change, mainly due to the awareness and education of the horrific events that unfolded, thank goodness.
Education that is denied if we don't open our eyes to the reality of history. That was all that was asked for, for ten long years.
Any idea what time the protests are starting outside the imperial war museum and the British museum? Will you be going to protest?
Look, things happened years ago that wouldn't have happened nowdays. Things, attitudes and laws change over time. Doesn't mean they have to be airbrushed out of existence.
If we tore down statues because the people depicted didn't live the life of a saint, we'd only be left with statues of........saints!
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What protests?
That doesn't make them acceptable by today's standards. If you think they are still acceptable, then society has not moved on from 18 century morals.
That is exactly the argument that was made for ten long years: for a plaque to be added to make Bristolians aware of the real history, and how Colston made his money, that Bristolians now enjoy.
But frustration over delays and petty squabbles over words overcame patience.
Straw man argument. No-one is suggesting we do that.
..and does he even have a statue? Another silly statement I fancy.
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What protests?
That doesn't make them acceptable by today's standards. If you think they are still acceptable, then society has not moved on from 18 century morals.
That is exactly the argument that was made for ten long years: for a plaque to be added to make Bristolians aware of the real history, and how Colston made his money, that Bristolians now enjoy.
But frustration over delays and petty squabbles over words overcame patience.
Straw man argument. No-one is suggesting we do that.
Maybe it's time for you to get some new blinkers.
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After that response, I'll assume you've exhausted your capacity for intelligent discussion.Maybe it's time for you to get some new blinkers.
I think you exhausted yours on 16th September.After that response, I'll assume you've exhausted your capacity for intelligent discussion.
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Sorry, mottie I don't have the time nor inclination for silly comments today, and obviously that is what you have resorted to.
You appear to have lots of time on your hands.
You appear to have lots of time on your hands.
So I'll leave you to play with yourself.
Looks to me like that's all you have the time and inclination for today.
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Many of the Confederate statues were erected quite late in an attempt to intimidate the black population of southern states.
Most were put up around the First World War period
Most were put up around the First World War period
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