hello.i do alot of gas and epc checks for landlords. im completely ignorant of the electric industry. id like to do domestic pat and electric testing as an addition to gas and epc checks. could you tell me what i require to do this, experience, qualifcation etc many thanks
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C&G 2392 Testing and Inspection ( all parts. )
C&G 2382 17th Regulations. ( full course )
C&G 2382 17th Regulations. ( full course )
To do portable appliance testing, you need a basic knowledge of electrics, and there is a course (3 days I think) which will get you qualified. You will then obviously need a PAT tester too.
As for doing electrical safety checks, or Periodic Inspection Reports as they are known as, you will need at least 7 years of working in the electrical industry, some experience of working with someone carrying out these reports.
You will also need to know BS7671:2008 back to back and inside out, and understand what it all means. Also the 2391 testing and inspection qualification, and a full set of calibrated test instruments.
As for doing electrical safety checks, or Periodic Inspection Reports as they are known as, you will need at least 7 years of working in the electrical industry, some experience of working with someone carrying out these reports.
You will also need to know BS7671:2008 back to back and inside out, and understand what it all means. Also the 2391 testing and inspection qualification, and a full set of calibrated test instruments.
Portable Appliance Testing , You can do the short course and virtually go straight into the job and learn more as you go along
Electrical installation testing [ P.I.Rs] you would be well advized to do the courses but the main criteria is a Deep understanding of the job with extensive experience in Electrical Installations...dont try and practice undertaking P.I.Rs if you dont meet this requirement otherwise you will encouter big problems .
Electrical installation testing [ P.I.Rs] you would be well advized to do the courses but the main criteria is a Deep understanding of the job with extensive experience in Electrical Installations...dont try and practice undertaking P.I.Rs if you dont meet this requirement otherwise you will encouter big problems .
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plus if you are doing PIR's for insurance reasons then you'll likely need to be a member of a recognised body NICEIC etc..
IF you use the right equipment (self diagnostic i think) you can do a half day course without any prior electrical quals to do PAT testing
And talking of insurance, you'll need to extend your PLI and PII to cover electrical work.
Do you need 2391 or 92, to carry out testing?
I thought you needed the understanding of inspection/testing but not 2391 or 92.
2330 level 3 maybe! but no more!
I thought you needed the understanding of inspection/testing but not 2391 or 92.
2330 level 3 maybe! but no more!
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The "need" is confusing as it does not define why you "need" it. In the main it is in order to for fill the requirements to get professional identity insurance. And if you are a multi millionaire may be you don't "need" insurance.
There are no laws to say what qualifications you "need". But if you carry out PIR's without valid insurance then I would say you are a fool. And for insurance to be valid you need to not only have the skill but be able to prove you have the skill, as of course, if you need to claim then it must be questioned as to if you have the skill.
The term to let the courts decide is used a lot here and personally I would prefer to be able to prove my skill without the need for a court appearance.
So yes maybe you could do a PIR with just a C&G 2330 but I would advise you to get a C&G 2391/2 so that you can more easily prove you have the skill.
Yes Eric I understand your comments, but not all scheme providers ask for the electrician to have 2391/92.
I think napit are one and I think nicky give you 18 months to attain the said qualification.
I think napit are one and I think nicky give you 18 months to attain the said qualification.
1) Can you register with NICEIC as the type of contractor who is allowed (by them) to do PIRs without having 2391/92? (Or 2390, I guess)?
2) I&T is not installation work, so it's never notifiable - no legal benefits to being registered in the first place.
2) I&T is not installation work, so it's never notifiable - no legal benefits to being registered in the first place.
1. no idea, not a member.. however since the 2391 is a course that basically sees if you know how to test and what to look for, then if you can't pass it then you're obviously not good at testing..
2. never said it was for notification.. some insurers require that PIR's are done by people who are a member of a recognised body..
did a PIR for a restraunt once.. 2 days it took.. gave them the certs and they asked for my NICEIC number for the insurance.. told them I wasn't registered and that they never asked if I was when they asked for a PIR..
so they had to pay me and then pay another guy to do it all again just to get an NICEIC certificate..
2. never said it was for notification.. some insurers require that PIR's are done by people who are a member of a recognised body..
did a PIR for a restraunt once.. 2 days it took.. gave them the certs and they asked for my NICEIC number for the insurance.. told them I wasn't registered and that they never asked if I was when they asked for a PIR..
so they had to pay me and then pay another guy to do it all again just to get an NICEIC certificate..
I called them about 4 months ago, asking what qualification was needed to join their domestic installers scheme,
you could join without having 2931 but they expected you to gain this qualification within the next 18 months,
and I also called Napit and it was not a requirement.
Did someone mention PIRs are not notifiable?
How could they possibly be notifiable?
AFAIK, NICEIC do not require you to have the 2391/92 to do PIRs, but they will certainly check you competency to be diong that sort of work.
Also, I think you need full scope membership rather than DI to carry out PIRs.
AFAIK, NICEIC do not require you to have the 2391/92 to do PIRs, but they will certainly check you competency to be diong that sort of work.
Also, I think you need full scope membership rather than DI to carry out PIRs.
I'm not just talking about PIRs but also EICs,
regarding having 2391/92.
If PIRs are not notifiable to building controls why do you need to a member of anything?
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