electric domestic testing.

[RF Lighting]

You don't need to be member of anything to carry out PIRs,

BUT, the majority of PIRs which do get carried out tend to be for insurance or liscencing purposes, and the majority of insurers and councils etc. will insist on the work being carried out by a member of an approved body. Usually either NICEIC or ECA.

You do not have to have any quaalifications to fill in EICs either. You just have to be competent to do so.

If yous scheme provider specifies a formal qualification to prove this, then obviously that is what you will have to do.

I beleive for NICEIC full scope contractors, that as long as the qualifying supervisor has 2391/92 then they are happy, even if some of the contractors working directly for that company and filling out certificates do not.

 

[ColJack]

you got me on ignore or something?

I've already said that some insurance companies require that PIR's are carried put by a member of a recognised body..

this is not usually for domestic, but for commercial premises and places like pubs and restraunts..

 

[RF Lighting]

Who said that?

 

[PrenticeBoyofDerry]

I beleive for NICEIC full scope contractors, that as long as the qualifying supervisor has 2391/92 then they are happy, even if some of the contractors working directly for that company and filling out certificates do not.

But if your a small company ie one/two/three NICEIC don't ask for you to have 2391/92 when you first register nor do Napit and others.

I know some clients will insist on the company employed to do the work have 2391/2 qualified technicians and some employmers request it as part of the job spec.
and that's understandable .
But regarding the op as mentioned domestic installations it is not required.

 

[RF Lighting]

No, it's not required, but for someone who is not currently working in the trade, I'd say it's essential.

 

[PrenticeBoyofDerry]

No, it's not required, but for someone who is not currently working in the trade, I'd say it's essential.

Agreed but easier to achieve the qualification whilst in the trade than out.

 

[RF Lighting]

I'd agree. I think we are arguing the same point here. I was just making the point that the OP who says he has no experience at all of electrical installations, yet he wants to carry out PIRs, should think again about this untill he has a wealth of experience, but if he plans to go ahead anyway, then the 2391 would be a must.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

1) Can you register with NICEIC as the type of contractor who is allowed (by them) to do PIRs without having 2391/92? (Or 2390, I guess)?

I called them about 4 months ago, asking what qualification was needed to join their domestic installers scheme,
you could join without having 2931 but they expected you to gain this qualification within the next 18 months,

They don't "let" DI's do PIRs.

Obviously they can't stop people doing them, or issuing generic/IET website/tester maker forms, but they can forbid DI's from issuing PIRs on NICEIC forms.

and I also called Napit and it was not a requirement.

Lo how the mighty are fallen.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

But if your a small company ie one/two/three NICEIC don't ask for you to have 2391/92 when you first register nor do Napit and others.

Maybe not, but what "class" of member do they regard you as?

Do they allow you to issue "NICEIC" or "NAPIT" PIRs if you don't have the qualification?

But regarding the op as mentioned domestic installations it is not required.

No it's not.

I could print off some forms from the IET website, pick up my test gear and go off and do PIRs if I wanted, and if I could find someone to engage my services. I'd not be breaking any laws, but I might have a few sweaty moments if I missed something important and my client suffered a loss and decided to sue me for negligence.

 

[ericmark]

Yes Eric I understand your comments, but not all scheme providers ask for the electrician to have 2391/92.
I think napit are one and I think nicky give you 18 months to attain the said qualification.

Some people do have some strange ideas. My son was after an JIB card and I also asked out of interest about one for me. With 40 years experience and 2391, 2382 and a degree in Electrical engineering they offered me an electrician's mates card.

So qualifications it seems mean nothing! They wanted a 2330 which did not exist when I did my apprenticeship. And this is the point a guy who has 40 years in the trade will likely be able to to PIR's without any qualification as such as he knows what to do.

And only if something goes wrong will one ever know if you are covered. At which point it is a little late.

ColJack's comments are very valid and I know my son had to increase his insurance to work in certain places and he had to prove he was insured.

And when I took my 2391 I had 30+ years experience and I learn very little on course main thing learnt was how to fill in forms.