It is he who needs to change for it is he who is educating ineffectively
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It's not a question of behaving correctly or incorrectly. It is a question of whether it matters to you whether or not you are communicating your (often important) points as effectively as possible - and it seems that this matters to you less than some concept of 'behaving correctly'. IMO, it is a great pity, given your potential.
Kind Regards, John
Of course it is - it cannot be otherwise.
It's your decision. If you regard that as more important than effectively communicating about matters relating to safety, then fair enough.
Kind Regards, John
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Not sure why we still bother trying to communicate with b-a-s; we're not going to get through.
And we know what happened when we inadvertently strayed down the road of remote syndrome-diagnosis, so I'm sure nobody wants to revisit that.
And we know what happened when we inadvertently strayed down the road of remote syndrome-diagnosis, so I'm sure nobody wants to revisit that.
I don't think the matter under discussion has got anything to do with syndromes or diagnoses - it's simply a matter of the way he chooses to prioritise different considerations (which is for him to decide), and he seems to have made his position clear.
Kind Regards, John
It's a bulleted list. What style would you have me adopt as an alternative?
Do you want to defend that position?
If not, can you answer my earlier question about what is superfluous in the list I posted?
And since you still seem to think that it wasn't an effective list, would you care to put forward a rational explanation, based entirely on logic, and not relying in the slightest on imagining that the list contains words which it does not, of what is ineffective about it?
You might be better able to comment on its effectiveness if you were to actually read it properly - your comment:
does not indicate that you read this:
"The references above which are in italics are out of date. The principles are still valid, and you can absolutely learn valid things from them, but you will need to refer to the latest edition of the Wiring Regulations to get the correct data."
or that you have actually looked at the Wiki "reading list", as that does direcly relate to the 17th Edition.
If you want to make yourself look like an idiot, don't hold back on my account.
Still - maybe I should consider this approach:
i.e. stop giving people information to help them acquire competence and simply say "get an electrician"?
I have to say though, that approach has not been well received in the past.
i.e. stop giving people information to help them acquire competence and simply say "get an electrician"?
I have to say though, that approach has not been well received in the past.
Yes, maybe you should consider that approach or, at least, a diplomatic variant thereof. As you say, if one just bluntly says "get an electrician", it may well not be well received.
However, the message might be much better received, and more likely to be heeded, if you said something along the lines of "I think you would be best advised to employ an electrician, because there are so many things you would have to learn regarding issues concerning outdoor electrical installations before you could do this work safely and competently, and we can't possibly give you all that knowledge by answering questions in an internet forum. If you wanted, I could guide you as regards suitable reading material etc., but I really do doubt that the time and effort of all that study and learning would be justified to enable you to do what may well be just a once-in-a-lifetime job".
Kind Regards, John
Have a look to see how many times I have said "Asking questions here can be a useful part of a learning process, but they are not a substitute for proper structured studying. The key term there is "learning process" - you cannot learn all the things you need to know just by asking questions here. It isn't structured enough - it won't provide you with a way to progress where each step builds on what you learned before."
But I absolutely do not believe that the time and effort is not justified - it is learning, it is growing, it is acquiring a new skill.
Back to the original question, if it were me I'd go with the 100m of arctic cable as suggested earlier. For the temporary connection that is. Stick a 13A plug on one end (you can just get 2.5mm into a normal plug) and a two way trailing socket on the other. Connect to an RCD protected socket at the house end and try to avoid damaging the cable while it's in use. Sell the cable on Ebay after the final connection is in.
For the final connection, will that be a DIY job as well? If so, then there's more to consider than just the cable size. Where's it connecting at the house end, what sort of over current protection, how's earthing and bonding being arranged etc. Personally I think 6mm sounds too small, but then I like being able to run stuff in the outbuildings without worrying about overloading, so I'd be designing for greater than 3kW, then choosing cable size to suit.
For the final connection, will that be a DIY job as well? If so, then there's more to consider than just the cable size. Where's it connecting at the house end, what sort of over current protection, how's earthing and bonding being arranged etc. Personally I think 6mm sounds too small, but then I like being able to run stuff in the outbuildings without worrying about overloading, so I'd be designing for greater than 3kW, then choosing cable size to suit.
As BAS pointed out early on, there is confusion/uncertainty from the OP as to whether or not we really are talking about separate temporary and permanent arrangements (my emphasis) ...
Kind Regards, John
No - there is no confusion now.
Yes, the OP did originally say that, which is why I branded it as a ridiculous idea for a permanent supply.
But he subsequently clarified that the extension lead(s) was for temporary use - lighting the site etc, not for the supply to the building.
Yes, the OP did originally say that, which is why I branded it as a ridiculous idea for a permanent supply.
But he subsequently clarified that the extension lead(s) was for temporary use - lighting the site etc, not for the supply to the building.
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