EU unhappy with astrazeneca

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Do keep up filly.
UK sites are included in the supply chain for EU delivery. "Best endeavors" includes these UK sites.
"Best endeavours" apply while the vaccine is being developed. Once developed "best endeavours" no longer apply.

 

[EddieM]

I thought it necessary to counter all the anti-EU speculation that has been going on, by all those anti-EU posters.

Why is it anti EU, I'm

Do keep up filly.
UK sites are included in the supply chain for EU delivery. "Best endeavors" includes these UK sites.
"Best endeavours" apply while the vaccine is being developed. Once developed "best endeavours" no longer apply.

Where does it say that?

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Even more opinions...https://www.bild.de/politik/inland/...fstoff-desaster-bei-der-eu-74734176.bild.html

Yep, more opinions.

"Merkel wanted to place the vaccine procurement in the hands of the EU as a grand gesture.
Result: The EU failed in a devastating way to secure enough vaccine for all Europeans in time."​

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. The press are reknowned for expressing their opinion on politicians.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Why is it anti EU,

Because the majority of it was wild anti-EU speculation and fake news.

Where does it say that?

I've already posted the BBC reports to demonstrate it.
Do you need me to find them and repeat them?
Here's some of it:

Then there wouldn't be any guaranteed delivery dates mentioned. There were, but they were redacted.
Additionally, if UK sites were included in the best efforts clause (which it was), and there was no mention of priority to any customers (there wasn't) then the EU has a sound case for AZ to include the UK sites in the distribution of the vaccine.

Also further analysis of the contract indicates that "best endeavours" was only applicable until the vaccine was developed. Once the vaccine was developed, then the "best endeavours" clause is no longer admissable.

Mrs von der Leyen said in Friday morning's radio interview.
"'Best effort' was valid while it was still unclear whether they could develop a vaccine. That time is behind us. The vaccine is there.
"AstraZeneca has also explicitly assured us in this contract that no other obligations would prevent the contract from being fulfilled," she said.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55852698​

It looks like the EU's case might be much stronger than at first thought.

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[Trazor]

The press are reknowned for expressing their opinion on politicians.

You are happy to believe the British press about Boris, yet dismiss a well known German paper's views.

Face it the EU made a mess of it, simples.

 

[Trazor]

"Best endeavours" apply while the vaccine is being developed. Once developed "best endeavours" no longer apply.

So the approval of a vaccine, can rewrite a contract..............

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

You are happy to believe the British press about Boris, yet dismiss a well known German paper's views.

Face it the EU made a mess of it, simples.

The German press have a recent history of making mistakes.

I'm not defending the actions of the EU. I'm refuting the silly anti-EU speculation posted in here.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

So the approval of a vaccine, can rewrite a contract..............

No!, The development of one can though.
It was the development of the vaccine that ended the "best endeavours" clause, not the approval process.
There is a difference.
The joke is on you.

 

[fillyboy]

So the approval of a vaccine, can rewrite a contract..............

The contract doesn't need rewriting, clause 5.1 is all the protection UK/AstraZeneca need. A lot of people are not fully understanding section 5.4 which refers solely to which countries AZ is 'allowed' to manufacturer in without the permission of the EU, which is why they include the UK in the EU solely for article 5.4

The contract is cast iron, Ursula can **** right off.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

The contract doesn't need rewriting, clause 5.1 is all the protection UK/AstraZeneca need. A lot of people are not fully understanding section 5.4 which refers solely to which countries AZ is 'allowed' to manufacturer in without the permission of the EU, which is why they include the UK in the EU solely for article 5.4

The contract is cast iron, Ursula can **** right off.

5.1 reads: AZ will use best endeavours to manufacter the vaccine within the EU.

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Quite reasonable for the EU to want the vaccine manufactured within the EU.

 

[sxturbo]

Then there wouldn't be any guaranteed delivery dates mentioned. There were, but they were redacted.
Additionally, if UK sites were included in the best efforts clause (which it was), and there was no mention of priority to any customers (there wasn't) then the EU has a sound case for AZ to include the UK sites in the distribution of the vaccine.

the bbc is wrong, they couldn't have guaranteed delivery dates because at the time of signing the contract they didnt know if the vaccine would work or not, so a delivery date would only be a best case date.

also if you read the contract a date is mentioned, but there is no guarantee against it (though i'm not a legal eagle, the contract isnt exactly hard to understand, it's pretty basic really, and makes you wonder why they took so long negotiating it)

the EU's interpretation of the contract is very different to a lot of others interpretation

 

[sxturbo]

Probably because of an NDA!

that and its no business of the eu's to know what our contract says

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

the bbc is wrong, they couldn't have guaranteed delivery dates because at the time of signing the contract they didnt know if the vaccine would work or not, so a delivery date would only be a best case date.

also if you read the contract a date is mentioned, but there is no guarantee against it (though i'm not a legal eagle, the contract isnt exactly hard to understand, it's pretty basic really, and makes you wonder why they took so long negotiating it)

the EU's interpretation of the contract is very different to a lot of others interpretation

If the delivery dates were dependent on the clinical trilas being successful, then they could guarantee delivery on that condition.
Don't forget that clinical trials were well underway by the time of the contract conclusion.

For sure, both sides will have their own ibnterpretation.
Does "best reasonable efforts" relate to the supply of the vaccine, or the manufacturing of it within EU?

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

that and its no business of the eu's to know what our contract says

Who has suggested it was?
You're making strawman arguments again.

 

[fillyboy]

the EU's interpretation of the contract is very different to a lot of others interpretation

Certainly different to most legal interpretation. Maybe Ursula needs to hire Rudy Giuliani.