Extending Ring Main

[Bahco]

I am doing the kitchen and as per my previous post I need to redo the kitchen electrics as there are a few spurs.

I have done a search and need to extend a ring main to wire the kitchen sockets properly. What is the best way using Junction boxes pls?

Also my Rapitest meter has given up the ghost so can anyone recommend a decent budget multimeter for diy use.

Thanks.

 

[bongos]

If you use junction boxes then they have to be acessible. They are not permitted under floorboards, behind plaster etc.

If you are wanting to extend a ring then use crimps and heatshrink. Make sure you have a decent crimper that will allow a good connection and that all cables are in safe zones.

As far as I am aware all work in a kitchen is notifiable...

 

[TicklyT]

I recently picked up a cheap 'n' cheerful digital multimeter at a 'Range' store for £2.99 - It's got enough bells and whistles on it to be useful, but the prods and leads could be better - not really surprising at the price.

 

[chapeau]

As far as I am aware all work in a kitchen is notifiable...

Not strictly true, however if the OP wants to put new sockets within 3m of the sink then it is.

 

[Taylortwocities]

As far as I am aware all work in a kitchen is notifiable...

Not strictly true, however if the OP wants to put new sockets within 3m of the sink then it is.

Check your facts Mr Hat!

All work in a kitchen is notifiable with the exception of minor maintenance work eg changing a broken socket for another.

A kitchen is a kitchen and the walls determine the boundary. There's no "3 metre rule"
A kitchen is defined in The Building (Amendment) (No.3) Regulations 2004 as 'a room or part of a room which contains a sink and food preparation facilities'. (A utility room, though it may contain a sink, does not fall within the definition of a kitchen if it does not contain food preparation facilities.)


PS We will probably now have some discussion to follow about combo kitchen diners and where the boundary is....

 

[ColJack]

I can pop round and have a look and advise if you want Bacho.. it'd be nice to put a face to the name..

 

[chapeau]

As far as I am aware all work in a kitchen is notifiable...

Not strictly true, however if the OP wants to put new sockets within 3m of the sink then it is.

Check your facts Mr Hat!

All work in a kitchen is notifiable with the exception of minor maintenance work eg changing a broken socket for another.

So it's not all notifiable then is it.

I really cannot be bothered to argue this any more. Sorry.

 

[Chri5]

I really cannot be bothered to argue this any more. Sorry.

You can't argue when your wrong, which you are. All installation work in kitchens is notifiable !

 

[chapeau]

I think you are getting confused about what is the law (Part P et al) and what irrelevent concepts that eg a self certifying scheme provider might use. One matters in these Part P threads, one doesn't.

As far as the Law is concerned (Part P et al) there is no such concept of 'maintanance' work and 'installation' work. In simple terms, these Laws cover ANYTHING you do to the electrics on the consumer's side of the cutout of a house. Of this work, there is electrical work which is notifyable, and electrical work that is not notifiable.

Breaking it down into 'maintanance' and 'installation' is not a concept recognised in law.

Using 'installation' as found in a dictionary, connecting a new main bonding connector to a pipe under the kitchen sink is clearly 'installation' of electrical equipment. Yet this is non notifiable work.

That's it.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Also my Rapitest meter has given up the ghost so can anyone recommend a decent budget multimeter for diy use.

Take a look at this: http://www.beha.com/files_d/sets/1333.pdf

Looks ideal for a household starter set - multimeter, voltage indicator and dedicated continuity tester, all in a handy case.

Couldn't find details of the set in English, but all 3 individual instruments are listed.

http://www.beha.com/files_uk/multimeter/93549.pdf

http://www.beha.com/files_uk/voltagetesters/6741.pdf

http://www.beha.com/files_uk/continuitytesters/9023.pdf


Also see another discussion here: http://www.diynot.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=26282

 

[ColJack]

there is no confusion..
we're not arguing about Part-P, simply what is and isn't notifiable..

part P says... ( or at least schedule 2B anyway.. )

(a) replacing any fixed electrical equipment which does not include the provision of—
(i) any new fixed cabling; or
(ii) a consumer unit;
(b) replacing a damaged cable for a single circuit only;
(c) re-fixing or replacing enclosures of existing installation components, where the circuit protective measures are unaffected;
(d) providing mechanical protection to an existing fixed installation, where the circuit protective measures and current carrying capacity of conductors are unaffected by the increased thermal insulation.

this is quite clearly broken down into installation and maintainenece, even if the actual words are not used..
the provision of new cabling or a consumer unit is clearly installation work, and the replacement of fixed electrical equipment and damaged cables is clearly maintainance... as is everything in c and d..

however, section 2 says that...

Work which—
(a) is not in a kitchen, or a special location,
(b) does not involve work on a special installation, and
(c) consists of—
(i) adding light fittings and switches to an existing circuit; or
(ii) adding socket outlets and fused spurs to an existing ring or radial circuit;

is not notifiable, so therefore, ALL work in a kitchen or special location or on a special installation is notifiable..

 

[chapeau]

this is quite clearly broken down into installation and maintainenece, even if the actual words are not used..

That's very very funny.

 

[Taylortwocities]

That's very very funny.

But you do agree that (relating to the OP) that the work he is planning, eg re-arranging the wiring including adding spurs is notifiable?

Or is there something that you can see that nobody else can?

 

[chapeau]

sigh 1.

You haven't read my posts. I already told the assembled crowds what I think. That's when I got jumped on by supposed Part P experts who are nothing of the sort. I will say it again.

ALL WORK IN A KITCHEN IS NOT NOTIFIABLE BUT IF YOU WANT TO PUT NEW SOCKETS WITHIN 3M OF A SINK THEN IT IS.

What on earth is wrong with that? That is an attempt to be helpful and is definitely factually accurate. But I still get jumped on. Why is it only on the electrician's forum that this happens? Never see it on the builders forum.

Sigh 2

You haven't read the OP's posts. He is not intending to add spurs.

And Yes. I do see things that others do not see. I also read people's posts prior to pontificating, you clearly don't.

 

[bongos]

I have done a search and need to extend a ring main to wire the kitchen sockets properly.

Chapeau, i'm quite happy to get flamed if i'm wrong (i'm not an electrician anyway) but from the above quote of Bahco's plan of work due to it being completed in a kitchen, it is notifiable.