Flexibus - how does that pay?

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It doesn't range out quite as far as where I live, some miles short, but it includes most of the east of the city, but I cannot see how they can make it pay....

You order the bus via an app, where you want collecting from, where you want to go, and an approximate time, with a one hour warning. Then they collect and drop you where you want to be, within 200 yards. The fare, is just the normal single trip fare, you would pay on any bus, but you might need two or three normal service buses to cover the same route.
 
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I remember waiting at local supermarket for a bus, and the woman next to me ordering a taxi, I said why, the bus goes that way, can't remember exact figures but taxi was some thing like £5 and bus £4.50 and the taxi driver would help carry her shopping, and go to her door.

So she was far better off using a taxi, which means less people catching the bus, I did start catching the bus before Colvid which was also before I moved, and into the City I could travel from 6 am to 11 pm OK some services needed a 1/4 mile walk, some outside the house, but it seems that was down to local residents objecting to buses using roads in housing estate after 6 pm.

But here, train or bus, first is around 10:30 am into the local town, and last leaves around 4:30 pm. I did catch the train yesterday (steam hauled) but the problem be it train or bus, is the wait between them, three trains a day (8 mile trip) is great for the tourist, but 2½ hours before you can start returning, and it takes 50 minutes, so with walk to train station/bus stop that means 5 hours to pop into town 8 miles away. Or around 2 hours if I use my e-bike. Or ¾ hour by car.

So only people who may catch buses are people who can't drive, be it because of no licence or no car, if we want people to return to using the bus, then the system needs to change. Be it bike racks on the bus, or flexibus, or even the bus drivers hand shaking so one can catch two buses without a long wait between them.

Last house to get to Shotton I had to change at Hawarden, with the two bus stops some distance apart and no bus shelter, even with a bus pass, not really that good, took me 20 minutes to Shotton, and 60 minutes return on my bike, not the e-bike then, and bus took 90 minutes, for 6 miles.

If it were not for the hills I would use the bike more, but beauty of the train is I can take my bike, OK £4 return for bike, but I can get to Welshpool and then Welshpool to Newtown is on the flat on the canal tow path, traffic free, but can't carry bike on bus, even with my folding bike.
 
It’s easy to use a computer based schedule optimiser to work out the route. Companies do it with software all the time in the field service management industry.
 
the dial a bus is a social service i think they have to supply to get people without transport to doctors 'hospital 'to shops
it makes sense to maximize income as without a task the bus just remains idle waiting to pick up mrs smith it dropped off at ten for her hospital appointment
or iff you can say double the passengers, yes the journey may take a bit longer but at less subsidy

the boundaries will probably be the parish or other council area that provide the subsidy
 
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They have a similar system in Turkey, it's basically a communal taxi. You get where you're going, pay less than you would for a solo taxi but might have to go round the houses via several other people's destinations on the way.

But in this country there's probably a council subsidy involved and some private company making a ton of money for not doing much.
 
Does the tax payer subsidise anything directly? I thought we paid our taxes to the government and they dished it out to others - none of it is ring-fenced, is it?
Jeez what is it with folk on this forum sometimes. Ok let me explain ....

I typed this as a response to the 'how does it pay?' question posed by the OP:

Subsidised by the council?

I was simply stating the possibility/likelihood that such a service is probably subsidised in some way. Ihavenojob then decides for whatever reason to quote me, but amended my quote to this:

Subsidised by the?

So they could then say:

taxpayer

I then replied stating:

not directly ;)

As a tongue in cheek response given it's obvious taxpayers (indirectly) fund stuff via council and/or government expenditure.

Jeeeeeeez ....
 
the dial a bus is a social service i think they have to supply to get people without transport to doctors 'hospital 'to shops

The map of the coverage area, suggests several possible drop-off/ collection points, one of them the university hospital.
 
I recall back in the late 1970s one of the guys from Phillips in Apeldoorn (Netherlands) who was working on this self same problem of public transport in (I believe) Friesland or Groningen (the two lowest population provinces in the country). In their case they also had to integrate the bus service with the many ferry services across rivers in the target areas. I recall him saying that to run a relatively small test area took the entire computing power of a large mainframe (or in today's terms less than the computing power of a low cost smartphone), and that his team included several mathematicians who were adept at queuing theory. I also seem to recall him saying the system would probably only become economically viable if or when someone came up with a driverless bus or taxi (the system they were working on used something like 7 to 15 seat vehicles)...

...and here we are 40 odd years later with a number of driverless vehicles coming to market
 
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