For All Those Who Claim We are Leaving The EU, A Spanner In The Works

keeping 'foreign fishing boats out' is not something I remember being raised.

Perhaps you weren't interested.

""When Britain leaves the European Union, Grimsby will once again be a great fishing port," Mr Farage said.
The Conservatives accused UKIP of failing to support UK fisherman in the European Parliament.
During his visit to Lincolnshire, Mr Farage also met TV star Joey Essex. The UKIP leader said he could help inform youngsters' opinions on politics.
UKIP's
policy on fishing includes preserving UK territorial waters within the "12-mile limit" around the coast for British fishermen, and creating a 200-mile Exclusive Economic Zone under UK control."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32220052

"Critics claim joining the EU forced Britain to surrender control of Europe’s richest fishing grounds to foreign fleets and that its quotas have scuppered many businesses.

Jimmy Buchan, of Aberdeen, who was in the BBC series Trawlermen, said the vote to leave the EU was a “fantastic opportunity for Scotland and the UK to start a new chapter on our relationship with Europe”."
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/683254/Brexit-vote-splits-British-farmers-fisherman
 
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It's a nonsense to have half of the workforce working on EU working regulations, and the other half working to non-EU compliant working regulations. We'd have to organise a two-tier pay system as well.
Production lines don't really work like that, as you well know. You can make single components that satisfy most if not all world regulations. They tend not to differ very much, and become fewer and more generalisd as you drill down to component level. It also doesn't change the fact that it allows domestic manufacturers to satisfy their customers' individual needs without needing to think about EU rules themselves, unless their own customers happen to require it.
it's not just the regulations about the components themselves. It's also the regulations about Working Directives, etc.

They promised free movement of UK citizens to EU but limits on EU citizens access to UK. They said that current UK citizens in EU would not be affected. They're in no position to decide. They said that current EU citizens in UK could continue.
Hmm, are you sure these were generally agreed campaign 'policies' and not just ideas various individual proponents came up with at different times? Apart from Boris and Gove, who qualified as 'official' Vote Leave spokesmen?
Are you now suggesting that only what the official Vote.Leave campaign said can be accepted as genuine campaign persuasion?
Sorry, but all Brexiters were telling porkies, not just Vote.Leave and it was these porkies by all Brexiters that persuaded the undecided to vote for Brexit. You can't distance yourself from those 'unofficial' campaigners.

If you look at the link, you'll see that it refers to the UK's access to the single market without freedom of movement. It does not refer to any deal with China, Australia, USA, etc, etc.
What Brigadier was pointing out is that you need to keep the distinction: "no freedom of movement = no tariff-free access to the single market".
Are you interpreting the comment to suit yourself?
The comment was, "European Union leaders have warned that the UK must honour the principle of free movement of people if it wants to retain access to the single market after it leaves the bloc." Do you see any reference to tariffs in that comment?
As I see it, it is: no free movement of people = no access to single market for UK!
Now if you and Brigadier want to change that meaning to suit your own ideology, that's your prerogative, but it won't carry much weight with EU leaders.
Additionally, further in the report the comment is: ""Any agreement, which will be concluded with the UK as a third country, will have to be based on a balance of rights and obligations. Access to the single market requires acceptance of all four freedoms."
And "But all the leaders were clear that you cannot have the advantages of the EU single market without playing by the rules - including free movement of people."
Again, no reference to tariffs!
 
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Sorry, but all Brexiters were telling porkies, not just Vote.Leave and it was these porkies by all Brexiters that persuaded the undecided to vote for Brexit. You can't distance yourself from those 'unofficial' campaigners.
Now you're moving the goalposts. Do I qualify as a campaigner because I chatted on this forum? Is it all people who voted leave that you accuse of lying? Voters made bold claims and lied to themselves?
Actually don't answer that. A more interesting question is, why didn't the Remain side manage to convince the leavers? If all the leavers are under-educated sheep they ought to be easy to influence, no? The leavers had the government on their side, the 'experts', the NGOs, the celebrities, the facts of the staus quo... they had everything. Why did they fail?


"Access to the single market requires acceptance of all four freedoms."
In that case even the EU spokesmen need to be more explicit and say free access to the common market. As anyone can see, the whole world has access to the common market, it's just not free.
 
Nice to see a human rights QC trying to overturn a democratic vote. Gotta love the hypocrisy of the sore losers.
 
have to say he lost me at this point. "Democracy has never meant the tyranny of the simple majority, much less the tyranny of the mob"
 
Sorry, but all Brexiters were telling porkies, not just Vote.Leave and it was these porkies by all Brexiters that persuaded the undecided to vote for Brexit. You can't distance yourself from those 'unofficial' campaigners.
Now you're moving the goalposts. Do I qualify as a campaigner because I chatted on this forum? Is it all people who voted leave that you accuse of lying? Voters made bold claims and lied to themselves?
Actually don't answer that. A more interesting question is, why didn't the Remain side manage to convince the leavers? If all the leavers are under-educated sheep they ought to be easy to influence, no? The leavers had the government on their side, the 'experts', the NGOs, the celebrities, the facts of the staus quo... they had everything. Why did they fail?
As John said, you're stretching the truth a bit when you say you chatted on this forum. Like all other Brexiteers you made wild and ludicrous claims and assertions.
I think Emily Thornberry coined the most appropriate phrase "pop-up party". Boris was exactly that. He popped up, made wild and ridiculous claims and promises. Now that he's required to stand by those promises, what does he do? Pops down again. Leaving Gove to fight for PM's job. Gove can then distance himself from Boris's vacuous promises and lurid comments.
If that was the tactic prior to the result, it would be a calculated cynical attempt at manipulation. It wasn't the tactic prior to the result because they didn't expect to win.
However it is still a calculated cynical attempt to distance themselves from Boris's vacuous promises and ridiculous accusations and assertions.
Those who repeated those empty promises and silly comments are also trying to distance themselves from the central character(s) who won the referendum for them with their daft assertions and silly promises.
Boris is now poison and will have to limit his career ambitions to journalism.


"Access to the single market requires acceptance of all four freedoms."
In that case even the EU spokesmen need to be more explicit and say free access to the common market. As anyone can see, the whole world has access to the common market, it's just not free.
Let me explain the terms to you:
Access to single market means all of it, bilaterally without limitations, tariffs or customs and compliance with all regulations.
Trade agreement mean restricted trade with limits, exclusions, customs, administration, etc. Any products/services must comply with relative regulations, standards, etc..
WTO conditions means no agreement but restrictions, limits, exclusions, customs, administration and tariffs. Products and services must comply with regulations, standards, etc.

Canada, Australia et al have trade agreements. These take several years to negotiate. Often because what is included and what is excluded, and the quotas, restrictions and limits etc. must be explicitly defined. We currently have access to the single market, as do Switzerland, Norway, etc.
We can have access to the single market which will include free movement of people etc. Or we can have a trade agreement with restrictions, limits, exclusions, customs, administration, etc. It will take more than a couple of years to define. The two year exit process is about the divorce, not the future access arrangements.
Or we can have no trade agreement, other than that conferred by WTO which will also include tariffs.
 
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Then why did the Remain side fail to convice all these idiot impressionable voters

It's because meaningless slogans, waffle and xenophobia overpower sense.

"We must have room to live!" "God Promised us this land!" "Take Back Control!" "Four Legs Good, Two Legs bad!" "Alba gu brath!" "Carthago Delenda Est!" "Forward to Victory!" "Gott mit uns!" "Pro Patria Mori!" "Persil washes whiter!" "£350m for the NHS!" "der Floh ist auch ein Tier!"
 
Brexiteers made wild and ludicrous claims and assertions.
Then why did the Remain side fail to convice all these idiot impressionable voters when the claims were so easy to refute with all their experts, public money, and moral superiority?
As John said, lies and empty promises trump (intentional choice of word) warnings of dire consequences.
 
Brexiteers made wild and ludicrous claims and assertions.
Then why did the Remain side fail to convice all these idiot impressionable voters when the claims were so easy to refute with all their experts, public money, and moral superiority?
As John said, lies and empty promises trump (intentional choice of word) warnings of dire consequences.


The "warnings of dire consequences" bit made me laugh. The government jetted Obama in to say we'd be "back of the queue" ffs. Like fck we will.
There was a high turn out, the people have spoken. But all the belly aching and whinging from life long "democrats" is hilarious. :LOL:
 
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