i am trying to wire a 4 spot light to an exsisting light fitment but when i fit it the light stays on and will not switch at switch at wall 
four kitchen spot lights
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You've connected the permanent live to the fitting instead of the switched live. How many cables are coming from the ceiling? There may be a black or blue wire with a red or brown sleeve over it - that is the switched live.
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i have four cables all joined together 4 red wires 4 black
Why did you do this? It wasn't wired like this before. Did it not occur to you that the way it was wired before was the only correct way to do it?john21f said:
Unless you have a multimeter or can remember where each core went before, you're in trouble.
Also, when you flick the switch (switching it "on"), the circuit should stop working and the protective device should operate, since you've connected it across live and neutral, creating a dead short (thousands of amps).
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it was already like this i have not changed
it was already like this i have not changed
So your old light stayed on all the time too?
Is your lightswitch turned on or off?
Does the fuse blow when you try to switch the light switch on?
//wiki.diynot.com/electrics:lighting:problems:blackswlive
Is your lightswitch turned on or off?
Does the fuse blow when you try to switch the light switch on?
//wiki.diynot.com/electrics:lighting:problems:blackswlive
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PLUS: No earth? I'm guessing that the new fitting might be a nice shiny steel one, maybe to match stainless steel switchplates?
If so, they MUST be earthed. Are there any bare, or green & yellow sleeved, wires at the ceiling rose?
If so, they MUST be earthed. Are there any bare, or green & yellow sleeved, wires at the ceiling rose?
if you cannot give a [proper deduction or solution you ie the qualified are no better than me
You cheeky £$%er
That sort of remark will get you this sort of reply
If you would like to start over, then supply more accurate detail and we can move this forward, in a 'nice' way, you getting on a high horse will simply mean no one will help.
FFS are you daft or what?
Let's confirm a few things?
1. Does any of the existing cabling in the ceiling have twin wire plus earth?
2. When you refer to four wires at the ceiling rose (reds and blacks) are these from the new (4 spot lamp fitting) or what you are attempting to connect your wires from the new fitting on to?
3. Does the new fitting have a earth connector?
With all lights you will have a switch cable, this (as mentioned)switches the live for the light. Often these are identified with a brown or red sleeve over the cores, sometimes they are not identified due to poor previous work practices.
At the ceiling rose this accounts for 1 set of cores in a cable, you should then have other cores, representing the feed of live / neutral and earth from other lights, and the feed of live / neutral and earth to other light fittings.
You now need to identify the wires and I'm not interested in telling you how, even if I did I'm not sure you'd do it correctly.
Hopefully a call out sparks might charge you enough to make you understand what humility is / means
That sort of remark will get you this sort of reply
If you would like to start over, then supply more accurate detail and we can move this forward, in a 'nice' way, you getting on a high horse will simply mean no one will help.
FFS are you daft or what?
Let's confirm a few things?
1. Does any of the existing cabling in the ceiling have twin wire plus earth?
2. When you refer to four wires at the ceiling rose (reds and blacks) are these from the new (4 spot lamp fitting) or what you are attempting to connect your wires from the new fitting on to?
3. Does the new fitting have a earth connector?
With all lights you will have a switch cable, this (as mentioned)switches the live for the light. Often these are identified with a brown or red sleeve over the cores, sometimes they are not identified due to poor previous work practices.
At the ceiling rose this accounts for 1 set of cores in a cable, you should then have other cores, representing the feed of live / neutral and earth from other lights, and the feed of live / neutral and earth to other light fittings.
You now need to identify the wires and I'm not interested in telling you how, even if I did I'm not sure you'd do it correctly.
Hopefully a call out sparks might charge you enough to make you understand what humility is / means
john21f said:
Other than by checking and noting how the old lamp was connected before removing wires from terminals the qualified person will be able to solve the problem.
Even the most qualified person needs some information to solve a problem. And the qualified person knows the questions to ask to get the relevent information.
There are no earth wires the black and red cables are under the upstairs floorboards there is no switch wire the wires on the lamp are brown and blue if i connect brown to red and blue to black the light stays on
baldersj said:john21f said:
Aah, but I'm not the one whose lights don't work.
If you're on here asking for help then wind yer neck in!
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