Friends been forced to move or pay more rent

[joe-90]

Who's "they" joe?

The BBC news.

 

[peterperfection]

Don't know why everyone complains most about the foreigners.... our very own natural born scumbags are every bit as bad, in fact worse since they lack the get up and go to move to a better country.

Council tenents are sitting at home every day in perfectly good homes that they have got filthy, rolling fags and watching jeremey kyle and thinking the world owes them a favour and moaning about having to visit the job centre once a week.

Why is it wrong to wish a little hardship on these people? maybe then they'd be grateful for what they've got and look after the house they're given for free and improve their attitude to work.

You clearly know nothing about being unemployed.

.

Eddie-- they get enough to exist--and that is the way it should be .
Why should the 'hard core professional' unemployed lazy asses get any more ?.
They need a incentive to improve their standard of living--and that incentive- is to work.
If they cant be bothered to work-- I dont belive they should get anything more to feather their nests.
I'm sick of paying taxes for 'that lot'.

 

[AronSearle]

Really it is not possible to live on this.

1. you can point to the dead bodies then as evidence, no?

2. don't see the relevance to the OP anyway.

yes

So these people are killing themselves over a change that wasn't even announced in the dates in those articles.



On a more serious note

http://obotheclown.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/why-are-these-people-dying.html

Lefties all over Britain are up in arms:

Mark and Helen Mullins were found lying side by side in their home after committing suicide together.They had been left destitute after Helen had her claim for benefit turned down,they had no food, no heating and no electric.

Richard Sanderson, of Southfields, south west London, committed suicide after receiving a letter from Wandsworth Council informing him his housing benefit would be cut by £30 a month.

Martin Rust, 36,a schizophrenic had his benefits cut and was ordered back to work.He left a note saying: “To those I love, I’m sorry. Goodbye.” Coroner William Armstrong said the DWP’s decision “caused distress and may well have had an adverse effect”, recording that Mr Rust had committed suicide while suffering from a treatment-resistant mental illness.

Craig Monk, 43, was found hanging in his home, he had a a partial amputation of his leg and was described by his family as “vulnerable” he became depressed that his benefits had been cut.

Colin Traynor, who was a life long epileptic. He was assessed as fit for work, he appealed, but his parents say he became depressed and lost weight , he died less than four months later,the day after his death his parents found out he had won That appeal.

....................

OK, look, let's just back off from the typical lefty perspective that libertarians don't care for just a moment: these are all terrible, senseless deaths.

But I want lefties to look at themselves here: these people all felt like the only thing that was keeping them alive was the benevolent state.

Did they not have families who could rally round and help them? Did they have no friends? No neighbours?

Where were all the lefty do-gooders sticking their hands in their own pockets to help out these people in need?

Why would someone commit suicide over a £30 a month benefit cut? If one of my friends or family needed £30 a month to stay alive, as a callous, heartless libertarian, I wouldn't even think about it, it would just get done. And if it was £300 or £3000, I'd arrange some sort of whip around or do SOMETHING. Maybe we could have had someone sofa-surf or find them a room that was cheaper or SOMETHING. But all these people literally felt like the loss of money from the taxpayer's pocket was the end of the world. They had no support mechanism apart from the state, despite being known to be vulnerable in some way.

Why is that? What happened to the idea that as civilised people we should care for each other? Why is the lefty perspective that caring for other people means that those who work should be taxed more on aggregate so that the government can spend the money on pretty much everything but taking care of the needy?

Why is it that lefties are so quick to socialise the costs but make individual failures or cases into a requirement for more aggregate inefficiency?

But mostly: in all the cases above and in all the cases I didn't quote: why did these people feel that they had nowhere else to go but death? Why did they feel that they couldn't talk to friends, family or neighbours? Or the caring lefties that have set up an infinite number of "charities" and quangos and so on to to address these things?

(I know why they wouldn't talk to an evil Tory or a heartless libertarian - because they're painted as selfish and uncaring bastards.)

Given that the whole premise of "social democracy" is that we care for the needy and the vulnerable, does this mean that the slightest cut-back from an ever increasing "social" support means that people will kill themselves? What does that say about what our society has become?

And why is it that the same people who promote this kind of society describe people like me who care about individuals and think support should be individualised and localised are cruel and uncaring?

 

[JBR]

Don't know why everyone complains most about the foreigners.... our very own natural born scumbags are every bit as bad, in fact worse since they lack the get up and go to move to a better country.

Council tenents are sitting at home every day in perfectly good homes that they have got filthy, rolling fags and watching jeremey kyle and thinking the world owes them a favour and moaning about having to visit the job centre once a week.

Why is it wrong to wish a little hardship on these people? maybe then they'd be grateful for what they've got and look after the house they're given for free and improve their attitude to work.

You clearly know nothing about being unemployed.

.

Eddie-- they get enough to exist--and that is the way it should be .
Why should the 'hard core professional' unemployed lazy asses get any more ?.
They need a incentive to improve their standard of living--and that incentive- is to work.
If they cant be bothered to work-- I dont belive they should get anything more to feather their nests.
I'm sick of paying taxes for 'that lot'.

I agree. Whilst there are those who have lost their job and don't have any wish to be unemployed, there are many who think of it as a legitimate 'career choice'. The country is far too soft on these people.

What would be so wrong about making them work for their dole money? The streets around here are full of litter - pick it up. I see graffiti all over the place - clean it off. The argument that making them do such work deprives others of their employment doesn't carry any weight. There any many such things that are not being done at the moment that could be done by the career-unemployed.

An additional benefit would be that these people would become used to working and would become more attractive to employers (should they wish to apply for regular employment, that is).

(Btw, it's 'a r s e', not 'ass'. It upsets me that we are losing our language to Americanisms!)

 

[chapeau]

Forcing rents down by cutting housing-benefit is almost certainly a good idea though it will force house prices down too. That will benefit our grandchildren, eventually.

What did 'we' borrow last month, 15 billion? Unsustainable. That's the big problem, not cutting the dole by £1 a week in real terms.

Only solution is a complete dismantling of the public sector and tearing up of all contracts / pension agreements. That isn't going to happen though, too many voters live well on this waste, and even if we did dismantle it we would still be stuffed. We already owe too much money and have no way of paying it back.

 

[gasbanni]

Forcing rents down by cutting housing-benefit is almost certainly a good idea though it will force house prices down too. That will benefit our grandchildren, eventually.

What did 'we' borrow last month, 15 billion? Unsustainable. That's the big problem, not cutting the dole by £1 a week in real terms.

Only solution is a complete dismantling of the public sector and tearing up of all contracts / pension agreements. That isn't going to happen though, too many voters live well on this waste, and even if we did dismantle it we would still be stuffed. We already owe too much money and have no way of paying it back.

It wont force rents down cutting housing benefit, certain individuals will suffer, the level of immigration ensure the rental sector will remain buoyant.

An immigrant family with kids will do very nicely thank you very much.

A 57 year old woman who works but is on a low income and is eligible for housing benefit and lives in a two bedroom place will have to move or face a reduction in benefits............how many single bedroom places are there ? not many two/ three's the usual no of bedrooms.

Social housing building virtually stopped, housing associations don't count in my view.

 

[AronSearle]

A 57 year old woman who works but is on a low income and is eligible for housing benefit and lives in a two bedroom place will have to move

1st world problems.

 

[pred]

Forcing rents down by cutting housing-benefit is almost certainly a good idea though it will force house prices down too. That will benefit our grandchildren, eventually.

What did 'we' borrow last month, 15 billion? Unsustainable. That's the big problem, not cutting the dole by £1 a week in real terms.

Only solution is a complete dismantling of the public sector and tearing up of all contracts / pension agreements. That isn't going to happen though, too many voters live well on this waste, and even if we did dismantle it we would still be stuffed. We already owe too much money and have no way of paying it back.

I can see a slight flaw in your reasoning, my tenants DON'T receive any benefits, housing or otherwise.

 

[peterperfection]

Forcing rents down by cutting housing-benefit is almost certainly a good idea though it will force house prices down too. That will benefit our grandchildren, eventually.

What did 'we' borrow last month, 15 billion? Unsustainable. That's the big problem, not cutting the dole by £1 a week in real terms.

Only solution is a complete dismantling of the public sector and tearing up of all contracts / pension agreements. That isn't going to happen though, too many voters live well on this waste, and even if we did dismantle it we would still be stuffed. We already owe too much money and have no way of paying it back.

I can see a slight flaw in your reasoning, my tenants DON'T receive any benefits, housing or otherwise.

Same with my tenants..I never ever take anyone on any sort of benefit . Working brits only-No scrotes,no pets, kids, smokers or anyone with a funny accent .
Refs have to stack up too

 

[dhutch]

Brits homes are our castle.
We dont want a stranger invading our privacy.
All this 'rent a room' is alien to our way of living.

Some people rent-a-room because they are tight asses and even if they dont need the money to live- they just like money.

This is NOT a way to live at all for a Brit subject.

On the other hand- A brit living in a 3 or 4 bed home all alone- is depriving a family of a right to live together.

So- Those Brits who live in such a home and can quite live in a smaller home should 'downsize' ...

I rent out two of my rooms on the rent-a-room scheme. Im 25 and bought my house (a large 1940's ex-council 3bed semi in an old development) a year ago. In effect they pay my mortgage leaving me with just the energy bills, maintainance, and improvment costs.

It works for me because I dont want to live on my own, and have not setup a family yet, however Im also good friends with my lodgers and if times where hard and I had a spareroom I would always consider renting it out again if this was preferable to downsizing.


Daniel

 

[EddieM]

Forcing rents down by cutting housing-benefit is almost certainly a good idea though it will force house prices down too. That will benefit our grandchildren, eventually.

What did 'we' borrow last month, 15 billion? Unsustainable. That's the big problem, not cutting the dole by £1 a week in real terms.

Only solution is a complete dismantling of the public sector and tearing up of all contracts / pension agreements. That isn't going to happen though, too many voters live well on this waste, and even if we did dismantle it we would still be stuffed. We already owe too much money and have no way of paying it back.

I can see a slight flaw in your reasoning, my tenants DON'T receive any benefits, housing or otherwise.

Same with my tenants..I never ever take anyone on any sort of benefit . Working brits only-No scrotes,no pets, kids, smokers or anyone with a funny accent .
Refs have to stack up too

How do you know? You chat ****e sir!

 

[EddieM]

Really it is not possible to live on this.

1. you can point to the dead bodies then as evidence, no?

2. don't see the relevance to the OP anyway.

yes

So these people are killing themselves over a change that wasn't even announced in the dates in those articles.



On a more serious note

http://obotheclown.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/why-are-these-people-dying.html

Lefties all over Britain are up in arms:

Mark and Helen Mullins were found lying side by side in their home after committing suicide together.They had been left destitute after Helen had her claim for benefit turned down,they had no food, no heating and no electric.

Richard Sanderson, of Southfields, south west London, committed suicide after receiving a letter from Wandsworth Council informing him his housing benefit would be cut by £30 a month.

Martin Rust, 36,a schizophrenic had his benefits cut and was ordered back to work.He left a note saying: “To those I love, I’m sorry. Goodbye.” Coroner William Armstrong said the DWP’s decision “caused distress and may well have had an adverse effect”, recording that Mr Rust had committed suicide while suffering from a treatment-resistant mental illness.

Craig Monk, 43, was found hanging in his home, he had a a partial amputation of his leg and was described by his family as “vulnerable” he became depressed that his benefits had been cut.

Colin Traynor, who was a life long epileptic. He was assessed as fit for work, he appealed, but his parents say he became depressed and lost weight , he died less than four months later,the day after his death his parents found out he had won That appeal.

....................

OK, look, let's just back off from the typical lefty perspective that libertarians don't care for just a moment: these are all terrible, senseless deaths.

But I want lefties to look at themselves here: these people all felt like the only thing that was keeping them alive was the benevolent state.

Did they not have families who could rally round and help them? Did they have no friends? No neighbours?

Where were all the lefty do-gooders sticking their hands in their own pockets to help out these people in need?

Why would someone commit suicide over a £30 a month benefit cut? If one of my friends or family needed £30 a month to stay alive, as a callous, heartless libertarian, I wouldn't even think about it, it would just get done. And if it was £300 or £3000, I'd arrange some sort of whip around or do SOMETHING. Maybe we could have had someone sofa-surf or find them a room that was cheaper or SOMETHING. But all these people literally felt like the loss of money from the taxpayer's pocket was the end of the world. They had no support mechanism apart from the state, despite being known to be vulnerable in some way.

Why is that? What happened to the idea that as civilised people we should care for each other? Why is the lefty perspective that caring for other people means that those who work should be taxed more on aggregate so that the government can spend the money on pretty much everything but taking care of the needy?

Why is it that lefties are so quick to socialise the costs but make individual failures or cases into a requirement for more aggregate inefficiency?

But mostly: in all the cases above and in all the cases I didn't quote: why did these people feel that they had nowhere else to go but death? Why did they feel that they couldn't talk to friends, family or neighbours? Or the caring lefties that have set up an infinite number of "charities" and quangos and so on to to address these things?

(I know why they wouldn't talk to an evil Tory or a heartless libertarian - because they're painted as selfish and uncaring b*****d.)

Given that the whole premise of "social democracy" is that we care for the needy and the vulnerable, does this mean that the slightest cut-back from an ever increasing "social" support means that people will kill themselves? What does that say about what our society has become?

And why is it that the same people who promote this kind of society describe people like me who care about individuals and think support should be individualised and localised are cruel and uncaring?

You are a total clown, would you please leave my county.

 

[AronSearle]

You are a total clown, would you please leave my county.

Awww didums, did I poop all over your argument

 

[EddieM]

You are a total clown, would you please leave my county.

Awww didums, did I poop all over your argument

No Ar Searle.

 

[peterperfection]

Forcing rents down by cutting housing-benefit is almost certainly a good idea though it will force house prices down too. That will benefit our grandchildren, eventually.

What did 'we' borrow last month, 15 billion? Unsustainable. That's the big problem, not cutting the dole by £1 a week in real terms.

Only solution is a complete dismantling of the public sector and tearing up of all contracts / pension agreements. That isn't going to happen though, too many voters live well on this waste, and even if we did dismantle it we would still be stuffed. We already owe too much money and have no way of paying it back.

I can see a slight flaw in your reasoning, my tenants DON'T receive any benefits, housing or otherwise.

Same with my tenants..I never ever take anyone on any sort of benefit . Working brits only-No scrotes,no pets, kids, smokers or anyone with a funny accent .
Refs have to stack up too

How do you know? You chat s***te sir!

Know what ?.