Garden room planning queries

[Captain Nemesis]

Btw, it's the building that requires permission not the use.

So the use of the building has no bearing on whether the building requires PP?

 

[clifford1]

Also theres no requirement for it to be feasible to move it assembled to or from its location. I.

That's how they moved that well-known caravan, London Bridge, to America.

 

[^woody^]

As I said - you can write about what the Caravan Act says from a position of knowing what it says, or from a position of not knowing what it says.

Its up to you.

I can also write from a position of knowing what the TCPA 1990 says, and I would suggest that trumps the obscure "beat the system, say it's a caravan" approach based on random (and unsubstantiated) google searches.

 

[^woody^]

So the use of the building has no bearing on whether the building requires PP?

Are we still talking about garden rooms or are we drifting into Use Classes?

Have you googled "operational development" yet? s55 of the 1990 Act if it helps.

 

[^woody^]

OK. Having now thoroughly researched the Caravan Act, it seems that it is possible to build whatever you like wherever you like as long as it is moveable like a caravan.

Please come and see me in a back garden near you.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

I can also write from a position of knowing what the TCPA 1990 says, and I would suggest that trumps the obscure "beat the system, say it's a caravan" approach based on random (and unsubstantiated) google searches.

Can you quote the bit where it says that it repeals or nullifies in whole or in part the provisions in the Caravan Act?

And do you intend to do anything other than whine about the fact (in your mind) that there are lots of companies engaged in misleading advertising and lying to their customers?

Are we still talking about garden rooms or are we drifting into Use Classes?

We are talking about the fact that you could have two identical buildings in identical situations with one needing PP and the other not because of the way that one of them is used.

Have you googled "operational development" yet? s55 of the 1990 Act if it helps.

Have you googled planning appeals where it was ruled that installing a portable building did not count as development?

And as for your photo, irony doesnt work when you introduce nonsense - a structure like that would not meet the definition in the Caravan Act, so the photo cant be used to illustrate any perceived mistakes in the act.


You just cannot bear to be contradicted can you.

 

[^woody^]

Can you quote the bit where it says that it repeals or nullifies in whole or in part the provisions in the Caravan Act?

I've already got one person here who wants me to quote the whole building regulations since 1964, so once I've done that, I'll move on to planning law just for you.

For now, lets make do with your wonderful photos of random buildings, grand claims and super googling, but little substance - or knowledge of planning law.

Until more information is forthcoming, best refer back to post #11

It must surely be a thing that the gypsies want kept to themselves.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

Youve made your choice between knowing and not knowing then.

I remember another thread where someone warned that you like to make up your own regulations.

Looks like a warning should be added that you like to deny regulations which mean youve said something wrong.

You see the thing is, the definition of "caravan" is:

"any structure designed or adapted for human habitation which is capable of being moved from one place to another (whether by being towed, or by being transported on a motor vehicle or trailer) and any motor vehicle so designed or adapted, but does not include—
(a)

any railway rolling stock which is for the time being on rails forming part of a railway system, or
(b)

any tent;"

(Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960)

"(1)A structure designed or adapted for human habitation which—

(a)is composed of not more than two sections separately constructed and designed to be assembled on a site by means of bolts, clamps or other devices; and

(b)is, when assembled, physically capable of being moved by road from one place to another (whether by being towed, or by being transported on a motor vehicle or trailer),

shall not be treated as not being (or as not having been) a caravan within the meaning of Part I of the Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960 by reason only that it cannot lawfully be so moved on a highway road when assembled.

(2)For the purposes of Part I of the Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960, the expression “caravan” shall not include a structure designed or adapted for human habitation which falls within paragraphs (a) and (b) of the foregoing subsection if its dimensions when assembled exceed any of the following limits, namely—

(a)length (exclusive of any drawbar): 65.616 feet (20 metres);

(b)width: 22.309 feet (6.8 metres);

(c)overall height of living accommodation (measured internally from the floor at the lowest level to the ceiling at the highest level): 10.006 feet ( 3.05 metres)."

(Caravan Sites Act 1968)

So what you dismiss as "photos of random buildings" really are photos of caravans, whether you like it or not.

Do you want to claim that people are not allowed to keep caravans in their gardens?

 

[^woody^]

I'm not quite sure how quoting from caravan related Acts (but not any precedent, on which our laws are defined) has anything at all to do with planning law.

But never mind, for your efforts I'll be sure to nominate you in the DIYnot Annual Awards 2020 for the categories of Armchair Lawyer without an Armchair, and Top Googler. Good luck, the second category is a tough one this year but you have done well.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

Maybe youll be able to cope better if we take it one step at a time.

• Are people allowed to put a caravan in their garden?

Once youve answered that we can move onto the next stage.

 

[^woody^]

Maybe youll be able to cope better if we take it one step at a time.

• Are people allowed to put a caravan in their garden?

Once youve answered that we can move onto the next stage.

I'm not, nor are my neighbours. There are planning conditions and covenants preventing it.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

Do those conditions and covenants apply to everybody in the country?

 

[^woody^]

Do those conditions and covenants apply to everybody in the country?

Not if you live in a flat

 

[Captain Nemesis]

I think it's past your bedtime.