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they are capable in your opinion? jeeeeeeeeeez.
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NO, not capable in my eyes, capable in the eyes of the law.What is wrong with you bunch of ******s? We all have to start somewhere, obviously apart from yourselves, you self righteous, pompous , know it all nauseating arseholes! I take it from your sickening attitude that you all have never trained at all! You just knew it all did you? From day one. absolutely **** hot from the word go! Never trained a day! This rant is only aimed at the particular assholes i have had to deal with today, HUGE T*****S DUDE!
I had to have O levels and stuff to be taken on as an apprentice then a 4 year slog after that on a lower pay till I finished my apprenticeship. The quote above ****es me off ad nauseum as potentially any doley smackhead can train up and call themselves a corgi engineer in 8 weeks.
My only consolation is that I may get the job of putting their mistakes right and charge accordingly.
No disrespect to those who have done the 8 weeks wonder course and do have the aptitude for it. These people are few and far between but do exist.
The government are bang out of order, pardon the pun, bringing in this policy and if they [Lab / Cons] hadnt skimped on benefits to employers who take on apprentices there wouldnt be the skills shortage we have now.
IMHO If we tackled our work in the way the government have tackled this issue then everything we did would be classed IMMEDIATELY DANGEROUS
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look to your self.edited...thats for know it all.
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traineegasman said:
I spent 2 years doing my intensive gas training and it was only when I got my acs and went out on the district that I realised just how out of my depth I was. To put it into some sort of context passing your ACS in relation to working as a heating engineer is like passing your CBT bike test on the way to becoming a GP rider, it's the first rung. Congratulations to those who get it and I hope you all go on to be good engineers. Just remember the golden rules.....always cover your ass and always repect your fellow engineers, you WILL need them.
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Perhaps you would be better reading your posting and then understanding why skilled engineers get their knickers in twist, intead of coming on here acting like Gods gift to gas fitters.
You know nothing, at best your an improver, and yes we all had to start somewhere "At the bottom"
We can and do help newbies, but with your attitude you got no chance
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Slug dude , I appreciate your hostility towards this kind of course, in my defence, however, I was not a smack head or junkie or out of work. Iwas already a plumber & this just gave me the advantage to work as a gas engineer. You do not just walk on to this course willy nilly, as they say, there where 150 people who made the interviews, & only 17 were selected. They were tested & interviewed thoroughly, had to work for an employer for 3 months without pay, up to 12 hours a day & then say thank you for the privilege.Then after passing all exams, you get the privilege of breaking your back, with an installer or service engineer, for another 6 months at a rate of roughly 5 pounds an hour. So don`t sit there & tell me that this is a course for smackheads. Do I understand your frustration, ? Just a little bit........
Wasn't slagging you off at all if you read the post carefully. Maybe I should have highlighted the potentially. I can understand your defensive attitude though as this has been one humdinger of a topic.
My grudge is against the governments since and including Maggie who should have foreseen the need for properly trained operatives when they started to make our work more labour and red tape intensive
Further to last I am actually on your side here as when I look at the problem of how to fill the skills shortage, selecting people such as yourself; with some experience is a far better option than training up pen pushers whose greatest practical skill is making a chain out of paperclips.
But I will re-iterate that the policy I quoted from your post leaves the door open to undesirables with no qualifications and makes a mockery of the formal training that I had to endure.
My grudge is against the governments since and including Maggie who should have foreseen the need for properly trained operatives when they started to make our work more labour and red tape intensive
Further to last I am actually on your side here as when I look at the problem of how to fill the skills shortage, selecting people such as yourself; with some experience is a far better option than training up pen pushers whose greatest practical skill is making a chain out of paperclips.
But I will re-iterate that the policy I quoted from your post leaves the door open to undesirables with no qualifications and makes a mockery of the formal training that I had to endure.
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Diy mate, frankly you are a massive tw* t, came on this site thinking I`m Gods gift to gas engineers? The clue was probably in my username, you self opinionated oaf, READ MY THREADS,
Slug dude, whilst I appreciate your point, I do think you are on a kind of `well it took me this long, so why should anyone else have it easier' kinda trip. It`s like gas engineers & plumbers crap man, they are saying `5 fekking years, it took me to be a plumber, who the f\\\\K ARE YOU!| Well times being what they are there are not enough handsome, square jawwed ,bedevilled, chisel chinned dudes out there So we have to come & fill in the gaps.
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Slug dude, whilst I appreciate your point, I do think you are on a kind of `well it took me this long, so why should anyone else have it easier' kinda trip. It`s like gas engineers & plumbers crap man, they are saying `5 fekking years, it took me to be a plumber, who the f\\\\K ARE YOU!| Well times being what they are there are not enough handsome, square jawwed ,bedevilled, chisel chinned dudes out there So we have to come & fill in the gaps.
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I wasn't exactly thinking that way but now you point it out, if you were to put yourself in my shoes I'm sure you would think that way and probably rightly so! I do think that you are on a high cos you got your corgi ticket easier than what other members of this forum did. You will appreciate it after working for Jack Schitt and co for 9 months or whatever.
I was looking at it more from this angle:-
WTF are we now going to get those gaps filled with, now doleys can be corgi engineers in such a short space of time?
In the scenario that we need mortar to fill these gaps and all the government are giving us is Schitt in more ways than one.
dia, if that was an open offer for a day's working with you, pity I'm in the wrong part of the country, I could learn LOADS.
tgm, I've read through this thread, and apart from your first post, all of the others offer nothing extra, and have degenerated to abuse. Why?
You have been a plumber's mate for n years, and unemployed for long enough to get on the gov scheme. I don't understand why, except there may be some indication from your posts. You are obviously bright, but why (at such an early stage of your posting carreer) use it to abuse people you've never met? and who know so much more than you (collectively, even if not individually in all cases).
I suspect it won't be long before you join the ranks of the fly-by-night posters who have nothing but rubbish and abuse to offer and who disappear almost as fast as they appear. You said all that was useful in the first post, shame you let people see what your personality's like. Just the sort of thing for working on Prescott's new build schemes, as few people would want you in their houses if the knew what you've posted here.
Now can you take this, or will I get a torrent of abuse as well? (as if I care).
tgm, I've read through this thread, and apart from your first post, all of the others offer nothing extra, and have degenerated to abuse. Why?
You have been a plumber's mate for n years, and unemployed for long enough to get on the gov scheme. I don't understand why, except there may be some indication from your posts. You are obviously bright, but why (at such an early stage of your posting carreer) use it to abuse people you've never met? and who know so much more than you (collectively, even if not individually in all cases).
I suspect it won't be long before you join the ranks of the fly-by-night posters who have nothing but rubbish and abuse to offer and who disappear almost as fast as they appear. You said all that was useful in the first post, shame you let people see what your personality's like. Just the sort of thing for working on Prescott's new build schemes, as few people would want you in their houses if the knew what you've posted here.
Now can you take this, or will I get a torrent of abuse as well? (as if I care).
Traineegasman, you may of been through this short training course, but it is only now that you actually learn to be a gas installer, not knowing what a Sine 18 proves your lack of knowledge of the heating game.
The main problem you will find been a newbie to the industry, is finding work, us engineers who have been in the game for a number of years have either built up a good client base, which takes a long time, or we have built a very good reputation over the years where contractors approach us to do their work, you on the other hand will not have a client base and you will not have the experience or reputation for contractors to approach you to do their work, no, unfortunately for you and all the others like you are the ones that have to compete with the Polish and Kosivan plumbers, who will work for a quarter of the wages that you will need to live on, I am not having a go, this is just a fact of the industry today.
The main problem you will find been a newbie to the industry, is finding work, us engineers who have been in the game for a number of years have either built up a good client base, which takes a long time, or we have built a very good reputation over the years where contractors approach us to do their work, you on the other hand will not have a client base and you will not have the experience or reputation for contractors to approach you to do their work, no, unfortunately for you and all the others like you are the ones that have to compete with the Polish and Kosivan plumbers, who will work for a quarter of the wages that you will need to live on, I am not having a go, this is just a fact of the industry today.
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Degenerated into abuse? not from me fellas, I was just trying to help out any guys out there who think that they too may be able to work in gas industry. If you re-read my posts you will find it is not me getting on my high horse, if you don`t like what`s been posted, Don`t read it Oilman.
Your problem sems to be that you aren't very bright. You say something like "all engineers do is read the instructions", you're shown you're wrong, so you say it's irrelevant. Please go away. Can't imagine anyone should ever employ you for anything.
its not the length of the course that counts, its the quality!!!!!
i passed my acs after a 12 week intensive gas course (servowarm). this course was 1 week on, one week off. so in theory, it took 6 weeks.
the grounding for this course was 10 weeks out with other company engineers, and an NVQ 2 im plumbing, which i knocked out in a year.
the sevowarm course was VERY intense, but all of us on the course passed.
i have now been out on the tools for about a year, and am learning every day. its one of those jobs where you never stop.
so i take my hat off to all you guys, cause i do some of my learning on here. i also take my hat off to tgm, as i know what its like to complete a course like that.......HOWEVER it scared the living daylights outta me when is started on the district, and the only way i have got through so far is to listen to those with more experiance than myself. and its always a good idea not to fall out with any of them............
i passed my acs after a 12 week intensive gas course (servowarm). this course was 1 week on, one week off. so in theory, it took 6 weeks.
the grounding for this course was 10 weeks out with other company engineers, and an NVQ 2 im plumbing, which i knocked out in a year.
the sevowarm course was VERY intense, but all of us on the course passed.
i have now been out on the tools for about a year, and am learning every day. its one of those jobs where you never stop.
so i take my hat off to all you guys, cause i do some of my learning on here. i also take my hat off to tgm, as i know what its like to complete a course like that.......HOWEVER it scared the living daylights outta me when is started on the district, and the only way i have got through so far is to listen to those with more experiance than myself. and its always a good idea not to fall out with any of them............
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