honeywell g2-g20 bell box and zone lock out.

[jayla]

Hello

I have installed this alarm 9 years ago and notice the f2 fuse blows which suppose to be 500ma BUT i measured the current between the fuse and realised it hitting 480ma on unset mode and on intruder mode 800ma so therefor put 1a fuse which has resolved that.

The issue i have is when the alarm is set to fullset and the alarm is triggered by intruder which seems to be sun or the blinds last week, the bell alarm was going off for 1 hours when the bell time is set to 15mins and lockout zone is set to 1 event.

I tested the bell time when i got home and it does turn off after 15 mins but if the same pir has a intruder again without unsetting the alarm the bell box goss off again.

What i dont understand why has the alarm gone of again and not omited that zone so the outside bell box does not go on again and the next door dont like the noise. i thought me setting the zone lockout to 1 even will omit that sensor in that period.

Any help to resolve this will be helpful

Still confused why they recommend 500ma fuse when that not enough when using all 20 zone(with expander) which include dailer and 2 keypads and 2 external siren and 1 xeon light.

the first was when the 500ma fuse blue i could not use the keypad to turn the outside alarm off. Lucky the 1 amp use has resolved that.

I hope someone can help me resolve the bell box only triggering once for 15mins and not again when the same zone is triggered.

Btw i never have my alarm triggering in night mode only when in full set druring the day which could mean window left open or the sun hiting that one room as other room i have put the dual zone alarm to help fault alarm from the sun which still picks it up sometimes.

 

[GalaxyGuy]

The panel must be overloaded. Inserting a fuse of a higher rating than the circuit is designed for creates a potential fire hazard. Calculate the total device current requirements and if above the circuit rating, change the external Rio for a power Rio and split the load. You cannot diagnose the fault while the panel is overloaded.

 

[jayla]

hello thanks for the reply. 8 years I have had the 500 ma fuse and in that Time it has blown 2 times and both times was when the alarm was triggered for a long time in full set mode . The fuse has never blown when the alarm has never had a intruder in the set moded with the 500ma.

so I am assuming when the internal speaker and buzzer speaker and the xeon light I have next to the porch is making it go to 800ma and after a while it blows fuse but never blows straight away. Even if I sort the power load issue that wont fix zone lockout issue ?

 

[GalaxyGuy]

Do you have setting 51.55.6 set to on bell timeout? It needs to be set to on bell timeout before the zone will lockout at the set lockout count.

 

[jayla]

Hello GalaxyGuy

I would like to say thanks so much for that information. I spent 5 hours yesterday trying to work this out but you resolved it for me.

The setting was "on conf" do does that mean? I have now put it on bell timeout. Also the 51.55.1 is confirm time do you know what that is? i have put that on 30mins?

I also wanted to know just for my own information when i do all walk test function it does nothing when i test pir why is that because when i do selected test function it beep when i pass sensor. How come the all walk test function does no beeping when you pass the sensor.

Also regarding power supply splitting if i give the RIO box different power then how would the back up battery work?

Thanks for all the information given.

 

[jayla]

ok i had a read of the manual again even though i read it yesterday.

So my understanding is "confirm time" of 30 mins i had is when the alarm would rearm and omit that zone. my bell time was on 15mins meaning if that zone was triggered again after 15mins the bell box will be on for another 15mins so total of 30mins. Then it will omit. My understanding is the outside box can only be on max 20mins.

So now i have out the bell box time for 10mins and enabled the 51.55.6 set to on bell timeout meaning the box will only be on for 10mins and will only come on again if another zone has been triggered in that time. is that correct?

Also virgin media have removed my hard wire telephone line for my dialer and install voip telephone line now.

Will the voip telephone line work ?

Also is there another device i can add so i can get message on my phone alarm is triggered and maybe turn it off? i have seen one device on here where you pay 1 pound for the servier a month is that correct? is that any good? or should i upgrade the control panel to one what lets you use through a app?

 

[jayla]

so i did a rough power consumption below as my f2 current is reading 480ma on standby mode where a fuse of 500ma suppose to be.

8 pir = 80ma (assuming each one is 10ma)
Impaq Shock Sensors (4) = 50ma
Rio box = 40ma
sd1 dialer = 35ma standby and active mode 70ma
mk7 x2 = 200ma (each 90ma max 140ma)
this already comes to total of = 440ma
I have not included the extra output strobe i have and buzzer and the loudspeaker speaker connected to 1002.

Also i dont know how much the main control board draws aswell g2-20.

so clearly with all this add up and on full intruder mode the f2 is hitting 750ma and standby mode 450ma

so what are my option to resolved issue ?

 

[GalaxyGuy]

The 'conf' setting is for a confirmed alarm. This is linked to the DD243 settings and the level of response provided when connected to an alarm receiving center that supports policed response. The confirmed signal is what's required to get a response and requires multiple independent detectors to be triggered. The timer is the time interval allowed in which accrue the confirmed detections. Since you are using your alarm system in stand alone mode, then you don't use the confirmed response, so ignore the settings and set to 'on bell timeout' for zone lockout.

As your system is overloaded, I would advise changing the small unpowered RIO to a larger power RIO P026B (the case is rather large, so ensure you have space for it). The power RIO's are pretty cheap on Ebay - around £35. The power RIO also takes a battery and provides battery backed power to devices, so you can pass most of your devices over to it. The connection to the power RIO is 0v and a bus A+B connection. The +12V from the control panel does not get connected to the power RIO, as the power RIO has it's own 12V output. It's that output that can be provided to your existing devices to power them. The control panel also keeps an eye on the power RIO status via the RS485 bus.

The issue of signalling is a different one. You can add an LCE-01 module and connect that to your Ethernet network in order to receive full event notification via SelfMon email, SMS, Voice, Etc. If you'd rather upgrade the panel, then there's also the Galaxy Flex panel that will work with all your existing devices and support an A083 Ethernet module, GSM Etc. But the cost of that is a bit higher, so depends on your budget to sort things out.

 

[jayla]

Hi

Thanks for the advise. How come 0V needs to be connected from control panel if it has its own power? I understand the bus lines connected for coms. I dont have space for the bigger box. So I guess i have to put it somewhere else in the loft. So i need to also buy another battery as first panel has a 12v 12ah which is techincally enough for both panels lol. As a temp i have taken of the extra strobe and buzzer which saves me 200ma total. I also turned of the confort light for the shocker sensors. and took power of one of the pir which is not in use. I know thats only few ma.

So now I am getting 450ma standby and alarm mode 740ma before it was hitting 900ma.

so the total i worked out with bell siren and full load is 1100ma meaning i am 100ma over the load as power supply is rated at 1 amp. f3 (350ma with siren and light on).

Regrds

Jay

 

[GalaxyGuy]

The 0v gives a reference for the bus - that's all really.

 

[jayla]

Hi

When i set the alarm on full set and leave the house i cannot hire the double beep because i have a porch and keypad is next to second door inside house. I have the volume set to 00 on the keypad as it so loud. Yes in can increase the volume behind the keypad which i think means i can hear the 2 beeps on full set outside ? But what i have done is put a buzzer in the porch and I have set that up as a strobe because my strobe is set up to flash when fall set. But the issue i have is when the alarm is triggered the buzzer will always be on as it set as strobe. PLease can someone tell me another setting i can have it as so it only get used for full set double beep and nothing else. yes i have also put s strobe in the porch as well but then you have to keep looking up at it. as its on the ceiling. so all i am trying to do is set my buzzer to beep only when alarm is set so i know when i lock up and not to turn on when there is a intruder in the house. Can i do that?

thanks for any help given

I manage to order this https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HONEYWEL...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

no idea why he is called it the g3 and i though it was g2 panel. Thanks for letting me know what to get.

So from control panel i only have to take 3 wire to this box bus line and 0v or from the unpowered rio just dont use the positive line.

 

[Handymanjo]

Set an output up for confirm set and use the buzzer. This should buzz the buzzer for 2 seconds once set.

 

[jayla]

https://ipautodialer.com/

has anyone used this before ?

 

[GalaxyGuy]

I'm not sure why you'd buy that over the lce module. With the lce module, you get actual event reports and full keypad control. With that module you get a single status of bells activated.

 

[jayla]

oh I was not aware that i would get full keypad control of the keypad. i thought it was just to let you know