How about some information on racism in the UK?

[JohnD]

Here are a few to start:

there is not much chance people are going to spend their time poring through the contents of your favourite websites.

If you have a few key points to make, say what they are.

 

[transam]

Seriously, 17,000? How do you lose that many men fighting trade ships?

The battle of Trafalgar had around 4,500 dead, between both sides. Do you think that these slavers in merchantmen were five times as deadly as Nelson and his crews?

Ask the Royal. Navy

Plus it may come as a bit of a surprise to u but the fight against slavery went on slightly longer than the battle of trafalgar

 

[transam]

Debunked.

17000 noseall

Obviously does not fit in with yer narrative again

 

[transam]

Seriously, 17,000? How do you lose that many men fighting trade ships?

The battle of Trafalgar had around 4,500 dead, between both sides. Do you think that these slavers in merchantmen were five times as deadly as Nelson and his crews?

Oh hang on a minute looksike I got the numbers wrong I said 17000

It's 17006

 

[StephenStephen]

there is not much chance people are going to spend their time poring through the contents of your favourite websites.

If you have a few key points to make, say what they are.

I think you misunderstand - they're not actually my favourite websites, not even my favourite websites on the subject - They are some sites I found and looked at, read some of, from a web search on 'racism uk' which I think (but happy to be corrected) contain credible data on the subject.

The only key point I have to make, which I think was clear from the original post, is that these conversations are better for being informed by data, precisely because when we only make a few key points without a basis in data, we risk end up just circling with the same views we started with.

 

[Bodd]

I think you misunderstand - they're not actually my favourite websites, not even my favourite websites on the subject - They are some sites I found and looked at, read some of, from a web search on 'racism uk' which I think (but happy to be corrected) contain credible data on the subject.

The only key point I have to make, which I think was clear from the original post, is that these conversations are better for being informed by data, precisely because when we only make a few key points without a basis in data, we risk end up just circling with the same views we started with.

John was asking for key points because no one is going to look at these sites in depth

 

[StephenStephen]

We maybe shouldn't conflate slavery and racism.

Slavery- the subjugation of another, for one's own ends. Deemed ok in the past by the British, not least because it was conveniently believed that the slaves were sub-human and 'not God's chosen ones'. Now illegal. Now seen as despicable in most societies. Yes, most slaves were black.

Racism is the hatred of those not of your race or colour. In 21st C societies, most racism is experienced by non-white minorities.

The two are related, but not synonymous. There is virtually no slavery in Britain at the mo. There is racism.

In my opinion.

I was surprised at first, then was persuaded that a more useful definition of racism is specifically about the way that people are treated rather than what people feel, believe or have views about regarding different people. Sivanandan usefully (I think) points out that what causes harm is behaviour.

I would argue that the whole white obsession with the question/worry about "whether or not I'm racist" is a distraction from understanding and addressing the ways in which racism (behaviour of organizations and individuals) in the UK shortens people's lives etc (for more information on this, look at the data from the links I posted).

 

[StephenStephen]

Just to be clear - I'm not attached to anyone reading the data, and I am interested in other sources of info other people on here might have, but it did seem crazy not to make it available here, given the interest in the subject on the forum.

 

[sodthisforfun]

John was asking for key points because no one is going to look at these sites in depth

And that's a shame.
Nobody wants to learn anymore - they all want little soundbites and snippets. Everyone has become lazy and stupid.

 

[transam]

And that's a shame.
Nobody wants to learn anymore - they all want little soundbites and snippets. Everyone has become lazy and stupid.

Well I dunno as I. Would go so far as to say that

Mind u good point about soundbites and snippets

 

[Bodd]

And that's a shame.
Nobody wants to learn anymore - they all want little soundbites and snippets. Everyone has become lazy and stupid.

I loved History at school; learning about The stone age, ancient Greece, the Vikings, the romans and then the Normans. My regret was I never did I learn about the 1st and 2nd world wars.

This should have been the first thing we learned.

There is so much I would love to know but I don't. Whats your knowledge on the subject, will you brush up with Stephens information

 

[Notch7]

The only key point I have to make, which I think was clear from the original post, is that these conversations are better for being informed by data, precisely because when we only make a few key points without a basis in data, we risk end up just circling with the same views we started with

Sadly the people getting enraged here won't bother doing research, they've been gaslighted for years by the press and won't be interested in challenging their confirmation bias.

I've been reading some of your links - useful info, thanks.

 

[Notch7]

will you brush up with Stephens information

And why don't you?

 

[Bodd]

Sadly the people getting enraged here won't bother doing research, they've been gaslighted for years by the press and won't be interested in challenging their confirmation bias.

I've been reading some of your links - useful info, thanks.

How much time did you spend????????????????????????

 

[Bodd]

And why don't you?

Such an important time in my life; if I'm going to spend time studying something then Black history is not one thats near the top. Sounds mean but Ive still got lots to learn in life.