How Can This Happen?

pure and simple murder but possible extenuating circumstances through diminished responsibility
what state he was in will be care in the community issue or failing that wont be helped by cutbacks over many years
 
A shocking and thankfully rare occurrence in the UK...

If it had happened in certain parts of America he'd probably have shot her and then been given a pat on the back!
 
ellal said:
A shocking and thankfully rare occurrence in the UK...

If it had happened in certain parts of America he'd probably have shot her and then been given a pat on the back!
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Why do you come out with such a ridiculous statement? It's totally irrelevant to this story.
 
conny said:
Why do you come out with such a ridiculous statement? It's totally irrelevant to this story.
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Merely pointing out that it is safer in the UK than in the US...

Rather relevant, or would you rather not be shocked that this happened in the UK?
 
You could have left it with your first sentence and still made your point.

"A shocking and thankfully rare occurrence in the UK."

Yes, it is shocking that it happened, UK or anywhere else for that matter.
Why make a comment about getting a pat on the back if it had happened in America?
We are all aware 'strange' things happen over there. I just don't see the relevance of pointing it out.
 
ellal said:
Merely pointing out that it is safer in the UK than in the US...
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Hmm...

Maybe I was in error...

Anyone else horrified by this 'slap on the wrist'?

"A PC who repeatedly struck ex-footballer Dalian Atkinson on the night he was killed by her colleague has been found guilty of gross misconduct.

Mary Ellen Bettley-Smith hit the former Aston Villa striker six times with her baton as he lay on the ground in 2016.

A disciplinary panel decided the West Mercia Police officer used excessive force, but ruled she could keep her job and gave her a final written warning"

Linky Linky

"When the officers arrived they claimed to be "terrified" of the sportsman"

Because he was black?
 
ellal said:
"When the officers arrived they claimed to be "terrified" of the sportsman"

Because he was black?
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Perhaps, but he was also perhaps because of the 999 call made by his brother to police.


Police had responded to a call as Atkinson threatened to kill his father, Ernest. Atkinson's older brother Kenroy said "My brother had lost it. He was in a manic state and depressed – out of his mind and ranting. He had a tube in his shoulder for the dialysis and he had ripped it out and was covered in blood. He got dad by the throat and said he was going to kill him. He told dad he had already killed me, our brother Paul and sister Elaine and he had come for him."

Source: Wikipedia.


Police turn up to a unit of a man, covered in blood, ranting and raving, after a call where fatal threats had been reported, and were ongoing.
 
I think this will be manslaughter. But we do not know if the drunken victim put up a fight when told to leave and this resulted in excessive force.
 
Brigadier said:
Police turn up to a unit of a man, covered in blood, ranting and raving, after a call where fatal threats had been reported, and were ongoing.
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The assault took place after the victim had been disabled by taser and motionless...

Apparently the first three baton hits were ok, but the next three weren't

Care to explain how she should keep her job?

If it had been the other way round, what do you think would have been the outcome?
 
Brigadier said:
You asked a question, I offered a possible explanation.

On your further questions, I don't have enough information to offer a fair reply.
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She was found guilty of gross misconduct...

Do you believe she should still be a police officer?
 
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