How do you get a Labour government?
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I think the problem nowadays in a "developed" country like ours is that we have reached a point where there are no great upheavals that any political leader / party has the foresight or courage to take on (and remain in power).
The industrial revolution, free education available to all, a roof over your head if you want it, the NHS, pensions for all, the reduction of the unions' power - all been through, and done. The Whitehall Civil Service are happy to keep "as you were", and the politicians are happy shuffling chairs around, as long as they keep their nose in the trough. When was the last time you actually got your MP to change anything of substance?
Which is why our roads are crumbling, and resemble patchwork quilts; we are warned every winter about "the lights going out", because our electricity generating and distribution system (built in the 50's, with a 25 yr intended lifespan) is still being patched along, until the replacements (which we started to build, too late) come on line; why when the sewer collapses, they fix that 6ft section only, then come back to fix the next inevitable collapse, a month or a year later. Make do and mend. Bodge it back together.
For all the money the UK supposedly has, where does it all go? Everywhere I look, our infrastructure is well beyond its intended lifespan, and is being maintained on a drip......
The industrial revolution, free education available to all, a roof over your head if you want it, the NHS, pensions for all, the reduction of the unions' power - all been through, and done. The Whitehall Civil Service are happy to keep "as you were", and the politicians are happy shuffling chairs around, as long as they keep their nose in the trough. When was the last time you actually got your MP to change anything of substance?
Which is why our roads are crumbling, and resemble patchwork quilts; we are warned every winter about "the lights going out", because our electricity generating and distribution system (built in the 50's, with a 25 yr intended lifespan) is still being patched along, until the replacements (which we started to build, too late) come on line; why when the sewer collapses, they fix that 6ft section only, then come back to fix the next inevitable collapse, a month or a year later. Make do and mend. Bodge it back together.
For all the money the UK supposedly has, where does it all go? Everywhere I look, our infrastructure is well beyond its intended lifespan, and is being maintained on a drip......
Not much of a boast this day and age Joe.
@Brigadier.
Yes, I agree completely. The excuse that they trot out is that we don't have any money now. Yet they still manage to set some aside for foreign aid, highly paid civil servants and, of course, MPs.
One thing in which we still lead the world: wastefulness. And the Labour party are past masters at that sort of thing.
Yes, I agree completely. The excuse that they trot out is that we don't have any money now. Yet they still manage to set some aside for foreign aid, highly paid civil servants and, of course, MPs.
One thing in which we still lead the world: wastefulness. And the Labour party are past masters at that sort of thing.
I think the point may be missed by some who think that the only purpose of a NOTA option is to vote 'for' something.
The first objective would be the removal of an excuse for people not to vote,as it would render the 'protest by abstention' argument for being lazy void.
This would also mean that poor turnout was not wrongly attributed to being the result of protest and would further legitimise the poll result.
Ie the vote is a truer gauge of intention.
The NOTA option would remove the supposition that is often made about a vote for a minority party or independent being merely a protest , not a 'real' vote 'for' them. NOTA would help ensure that such votes were valued as highly as every other vote, and also reduce support for extremist views being falsely inflated.
As many people do not seem to value their right to vote, which has been hard won by our forbears' efforts at home and abroad, in my ideal world there would be some way of rewarding voters (if punishing non voters is not acceptable ). And I am not sure of the merits of making voting compulsory in a free society. The right not to vote should also be kept.
In my ideal world, perhaps a small tax rebate or some other benefit accrues when you vote.
Can anyone think of a better mechanism for rewarding those that value the democratic process, imperfect though it is?
And some of you guys think that Labour should be the next government:
http://haringeylibdems.mycouncillor...th-trebling-of-concert-days-at-finsbury-park/
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/councillor-sparks-outrage-after-backing-179302
http://www.thurrockgazette.co.uk/ne...ouncillor_s_six_month_holiday_sparks_outrage/
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/11/23/chris-sumpton-labour-punch-lib-dem_n_4329376.html
http://haringeylibdems.mycouncillor...th-trebling-of-concert-days-at-finsbury-park/
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/councillor-sparks-outrage-after-backing-179302
http://www.thurrockgazette.co.uk/ne...ouncillor_s_six_month_holiday_sparks_outrage/
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/11/23/chris-sumpton-labour-punch-lib-dem_n_4329376.html
Yes. Make everybody's vote count: introduce proportional representation.
Oh Joe, that old chestnut again. PR still doesn't guarantee anything. (apart from more expenses cheats and hypocrites)
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