How is this explained ?

Hey! i'll have less of that please, GOD is GREAT! he built the earth in six days then he said let there be light and behold there was light and it was brilliant, me personally would have turned the lights on first! :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

He said let there be light after creating the heaven and earth,how else could he see what he was doing.

Thats what i said! he created heaven and earth in total darkness, maybe he 's got Irish blood flowing through his veines :LOL: :LOL:
 
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Hey! i'll have less of that please, GOD is GREAT! he built the earth in six days then he said let there be light and behold there was light and it was brilliant, me personally would have turned the lights on first! :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

He said let there be light after creating the heaven and earth,how else could he see what he was doing.

Thats what i said! he created heaven and earth in total darkness, maybe he 's got Irish blood flowing through his veines :LOL: :LOL:

Or, had already gone to specsavers.
 
he built the earth in six days then he said let there be light and behold there was light and it was brilliant, me personally would have turned the lights on first! :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

Probably worked in the dark
because let's face it how much would powergen have charged to light the whole of creation, robbing so and so's :mad:
 
A Quote, author unknown seems to be an expert of this type of carving.
A statement about the physical attributes of the carvings themselves,
technique of the craft explained.

From the wealth of artifacts found ascribing them all to be fakes is obviously self delusional.


THE DINOSAURS OF WHITE RIVER CANYON
There are three dinosaur petroglyphs (carved or pecked rock art) in the White River
Canyon of Natural Bridges National Monument in southeastern Utah. The dinosaur
glyphs all portray large sauropods with incredible likenesses to such dinosaurs as
Apatosaurus, Camarasaurus, or Diplodicus. These dinosaur drawings have been
attributed to the Northern San Juan Anasazi Indians who inhabited the upper White River
Canyon from approximately 450 A.D. to their sudden, unexplained departure in 1300
A.D. The dinosaur drawings have been identified with the Pueblo II-Pueblo III Anasazi
Period from 900 A.D. to 1300 A.D.
Fran Barnes, noted rock art expert, writes, “There is a petroglyph in Natural Bridges
National Monument that bears a startling resemblance to a dinosaur, specifically a
Bronotosaurus, with a long tail and neck, small head and all.” Polly Schaafsma, one of
the foremost authorities in the world on rock art of the Anasazi, says there is a “dinosaurlike
zoomorphic petroglyph on Kachina Bridge . . .Patination is comparable to that on
other clearly Anasazi petroglyphs.”
The scientific verification of these dinosaur drawings would revolutionize
paleontology, just as the cave paintings in France did in the 1920’s and 1930’s. The
validation of the drawings would result in an intellectual cataclysm and shatter
evolutionary concepts of the demise of the dinosaurs sixty-five million years ago. Did
American Indians on the Colorado Plateau draw dinosaurs on sandstone cliffs some 700
to 1100 years ago? The Zuni Indians of the American Southwest have a tradition passed
from their ancestors. “They were monsters and animals of prey; they were provided with
claws and terrible teeth. A mountain lion is but a mole in comparison to them. Then
those above said to these animals: ‘Ye shall all be changed into stone . . .’” The Zunis
apparently had firsthand knowledge of the great reptilian monstrosities both living and
fossilized. Did the Indians really see dinosaurs as their oral tradition infers? Beginning
in 1987, the author embarked on a search for rock art sites that display dinosaurs and
other animals that were not supposed to be contemporaneous with man.
The dinosaur glyphs have been documented and studied within the historical,
environmental, and archaeological data of each geographical region. The dinosaur
drawings have been examined in association with the artifacts found in close proximity
with them. The weathering, patination, style, and location of the petroglyphs are used to
help date the dinosaur drawings.
History of the Canyon
The history of the canyon has a direct bearing on the interpretation of the dinosaur
drawings as Anasazi. The upper White River Canyon Basin of Southeastern Utah is an
area approximately ten miles in a North-South direction and eight miles from East to
West. Within this area, the elevation is 9,040 feet in Elk Ridge to 5,600 feet in White
Canyon. The rugged, remote, inhospitable and inaccessible terrain kept the deep domains
of the canyon hidden from explorers and pioneers until recent times. Even today, the
plateau is almost completely devoid of settlement.
The Natural Bridges of White River Canyon were first recorded in the year 1883.
Except for an occasional cattle rancher or looter of Indian artifacts, the canyon remained
virtually unexplored. In the winter of 1892-93, W.C. McLoyal and C.C. Howard Graham
went into the canyon and brought out an enormous collection of priceless Indian artifacts
that were left behind from the sudden abandonment of the area circa 1300 A.D.
The White River Canyon was known to be rich in archaeological remains, but it
wasn’t until 1961 that an extensive, detailed, major archaeological survey was conducted
by Philip and Audrey Hobler. Their work had to be carried out by long traverses on foot
through the canyons and by horseback over the vast, road-less stretches of open country.
Two hundred archaeological sites were surveyed covering about thirteen centuries of
Anasazi occupation. The archaeological team found kivas, pueblos, granaries, pottery,
metates, and rock art within the canyon. Twenty-five of the Anasazi dwellings still had
their original roofs intact. The incredible fine conditions of the structures with the roofs
still in place is of major archaeological importance. Two things may help to explain this
unique phenomenon. The Indians made a sudden, abrupt, and peaceful exodus from the
canyons. David Noble says, “When Pueblo Indians moved, they often carried their
valuable timbers with them for reuse in their next home because large trees were hard to
fell with stone axes.” This discovery also reveals that there were no remaining residents
to take beams away from the roofs of unoccupied structures to build new ones. The
surprisingly pristine preservation of the sites coupled with the fact there is an absolute
lack of any evidence that in later times neither Utes, Navahos, Spanish, explorers, or
pioneers even made their homes here makes the canyon a sociologically clean area to
study. For almost 700 years, the Anasazi dwellings in the White River Canyon were left
undisturbed.
A list of tree ring dates reinforces the interpretation of the Anasazi abandonment of
White River Canyon by 1300 A.D. and continued non-habitation from that time. A
cluster of tree ring dates fall into the mid 1100’s when the population of the canyon was
at its height. The last tree ring date gives a reading of 1251. The 1961 expedition took a
sampling of standing dead trees or snags in the canyon. The Anasazi used dead trees in
construction because live trees were extremely difficult to cut down with stone axes. The
standing dead trees gave dates centuries after the Anasazi exodus from the canyon.
Indeed, according to the most prominent experts on the Anasazi, the tree ring dates taken
from all over the four corners region leads to the inescapable conclusion that the whole of
the Colorado Plateau was abruptly abandoned within three or four years after 1295, and
we know that the Anasazi never came back. The solid scientific evidence is definitive in
its declaration of White Canyon’s non-occupation from 1300 A.D. to modern times.
Ceramics
The ceramic collection found in White River Canyon consists of 3,940 pottery shards.
The pottery samples demonstrate that during the Pueblo II-Pueblo III period. The
ceramic styles consistent with the Mesa Verdean, San Juan culture, and carried on trade
with the Kayata Anasazi. No pottery of any kind was found in the canyon beyond the
Pueblo II-Pueblo III period. The ceramic study helps to solidify the scientific opinions
that after the Anasazi exodus, no other Indian tribes moved into the canyon or ceramic
shards would have been found.
Other Artifacts
Plant specimens and other perishable remains from the rock shelter sites are
unequivocal that the last people to live in the White River Canyon were the Anasazi.
Arrowheads and stone implements found throughout the canyon all are identified with
either the Desert Archaic period or Anasazi with no modern Indian artifacts found. If
Utes or Navahos had hunted in the canyon area, they would have left behind lost
arrowheads, for that was common in the hunting of game.
Rock Art Sites
The dinosaur drawings are found near rock shelter habitations of the Anasazi. The
close association of rock art with habitation sites at Natural Bridges is fully consistent
with findings in other Anasazi locations as evidenced by surveys at Mesa Verde, Glen
Canyon, and in Tsegi Canyon. The dinosaur drawings are found near an Anasazi storage
structure of coursed masonry, vertical slates, and adobe. The pictographs on the storage
structure reflect an Anasazi style, while the surrounding petroglyphs on sandstone cliff
walls are Anasazi and fall within the Pueblo II and III Periods. The evidence is
overwhelming both in style and in association with other cultural remains that the sites in
the canyon are of Anasazi origin.
The dinosaur glyphs are carved on sandstone at Kachina Bridge. The largest dinosaur
drawing is three feet long with all the distinctive features of a sauropod. The drawing is
just above a sloping rock ledge; nine feet at the lowest point of the ledge and twelve feet
at the highest point. The rock ledge overhang can only be reached with a ladder, and the
Anasazi were very adept at constructing wooden ladders or notched logs. Ladders have
been found at Anasazi dwellings with an average length of 3.5 meters; the largest more
than 15 meters.
The other two dinosaur glyphs are nineteen feet above the canyon floor on the cliff
wall. The artists certainly used a ladder to get to a ledge about eight feet below and
worked off another ladder to peck out the dinosaur. The glyphs are very faint and badly
weathered, but easily recognized as dinosaurs.
The Feasibility of a Fake
The preponderance of the evidence leads one to the logical conclusion that the
dinosaur drawings would be impossible to fake. No modern hoaxer could give them the
appearance of age or duplicate the Indian’s application technique.
Any attempt to debunk the White River Canyon dinosaurs must give persuasive
evidence that counters the overwhelming weight of scientific evidence that declares them
authentic.
1) No modern hoaxer could give them the appearance of age or duplicate the
Indian’s application technique.
2) The remote, rugged terrain and inaccessibility of the canyon kept this area hidden
from civilization for almost 700 years. The author had marshaled compelling
historical, archaeological, geographical, and scientific evidence that clearly shows
the canyon was suddenly abandoned by the Anasazi circa 1300 A.D. The canyon
remained uninhabited after the Anasazi exodus and indeed was not explored fully
until 1961.
Hoaxers are noted for putting their fake artifacts in places that can be readily
discovered. No sane individual would postulate the opinion that a hoaxer in the last
century went to the arduous task of trekking across fifteen miles of mile high mountain
terrain on foot or horseback and then performed the Herculean task of hauling a ladder
down the canyon and applying dinosaurs on the sandstone cliff with the artistry and
mastery of ancient Indians.
The suggestion that the dinosaur glyphs are the work of clever hoaxers stretches
credibility to the breaking point. Sound reason indicates the drawings could not have
been done by a hoaxer. The weathering process is more conclusive in rendering a verdict
of authenticity to the dinosaurs. Every rock art expert considers the weathering factors
impossible to fake. The rock art panel at Natural Bridges is underneath a gigantic
sandstone arch and shows extensive weathering. Several other rock art carvings are on
the panel on which the large dinosaur appears, and all are equally weathered. These
faded, pitted, weathered petroglyphs had to take hundreds of years to become eroded.
The dinosaurs are also heavily patinated with desert varnish.
Observing application techniques is important in verifying authenticity. The large
dinosaur petroglyph in White River Canyon bears the unmistakable marks of having been
made with a hammer stone and a chisel stone. Indians would take a chisel stone of flint,
agate, or jasper, hold it in position, and strike it with the hammer stone. The point of the
chisel stone was fairly sharp and would make an indention with each blow from the
hammer stone. In this way, small dents were created one at a time and with an amazing
precision, otherwise the design would be ruined. Without a doubt, this is the
characteristic stipple method of application used by the Indians of the American
Southwest. The numerous small pits that go into a moderately complex figure like the
dinosaur design, are made with twenty-five to one hundred dents per inch and are applied
with phenomenal accuracy.
Dating Rock Images
Determining the actual age of rock art with any degree of certainty is missing. Any
attempt to date rock art is fraught with difficulties and uncertainties. We do not have the
ability to assign an absolute date to specific petroglyphs and pictographs. All of the
archaeologists’ scientific tools, stratigraphic analyses, sequence dating through serration,
cross dating, archeomagnetic dating, potassium argon dating, fission track dating,
thermoluminescence dating of pottery, cation ratio dating, and obsidian hydration studies
are simply useless in dating rock art. Recently, researchers have attempted to obtain
carbon 14 dates from small samples of pollen beneath the desert varnish as the patina
recoats the surface and results in a variety of C-14 dates for the same glyph.
Inference Dating
While no absolute dating methods exist for assigning precise dates to rock art, it is
possible to narrow the time span in which a particular figure might fall. There are eight
major methods which provide clues for general dating of rock graphics: 1) Association
with dating archaeological deposits or remains, 2) Association with datable portable art,
3) Portrayal of datable objects, 4) Superimposition of designs, 5) Patination, 6) Style or
design, 7) Lichenometry, and:cool: Weathering.
Association with dated Archaeological Deposits
Dendrochronology is the dating of tree rings and is fairly reliable in dating ruins
where timbers were used in the construction. One can conclude that where ruins have
collapsed and rock art is found buried inside them, that the respective art is about as old
as the ruins. Pictographs or petroglyphs actually on constructed walls means they were
put there when the Indians lived in the kiva or pueblo. Other examples include the
burying of abstract rock carvings by volcanic ash in South Central Oregon with the
explosion of Mount Mazama that formed Crater Lake.
Datable Portable Objects
Attempts have been made to date rock art by comparing it with similar designs on
pottery, wall murals, baskets, figurines, jewelry, tools, weavings, and other cultural
artifacts. There are cases where a number of patterns or temporal time-links emerge
between cultural objects and rock art imagery. This has been done with the materials
found among the San Juan basket makers and ceramic decorations utilized by the Anasazi
that have remarkable similarities to rock art graphics through time.
Portrayal of Datable Objects
At some rock art sites, the objects portrayed narrow down the time frame or period in
which they were done. For example, if the glyph illustrates a horse, then it must have
been created after A.D. 1540 when Coronado’s Spanish expeditions introduced the horse
into the Southwest.
Indian weapons, crops, and pets also give a rough time index to date a rock art site.
Scenes depicting Indians with bows and arrows had to be made after the appearance of
the bow and arrow into the Southwest around 200 A.D.
Illustrations of corn are post 200 A.D., when the grain was brought to the Southwest.
If the corn drawn has ears with eight rows of grain and not twelve to fourteen, then it is
dated from about 900 A.D. when eight-rowed corn arrived in the Southwest. The Indians
also traded with other cultures in Mexico and Central America as evidenced by their
petroglyphs of parrots. One petroglyph depicts a caged parrot. Scarlet Macaws and other
parrots were traded to the Anasazi, and these exotic tropical birds have been excavated
from Anasazi graves at numerous locations dating from 1100 A.D.
Superimposition of Designs
Occasionally, one design will be superimposed on an earlier design. If a bone or
arrow is applied on top of a carving, then the superimposed glyph is no older than 200
A.D., while the original must be dated to an earlier period. In other cases, a distinctive
historic Ute Indian motif may be laid over a prehistoric Indian scene. The late Ute style
can be seen at Newspaper Rock in Utah, where imagery of equestrian animal “pelts” and
broad-shouldered anthromorphs are superimposed over prehistoric and Anasazi figures.
The subject matter at Newspaper Rock illustrates the introduction of Euro-American
influence of the culture in the 1800’s.
Patination
In the semi-arid regions of the world such as the American Southwest, a desert varnish
or patina begins to cover the rock carving. The varnish is the accumulation of clay,
manganese, and iron oxides with several trace materials fixed to the rock by manganeseoxidizing
bacteria. Iron minerals make a brown-colored varnish, while manganese makes
a black or deep purple sheen.
The build-up of the varnish is affected by exposure, moisture, temperature, wind, and
other factors. The varnish resurfaces the glyph at variable rates depending on general
conditions, but the process is still a slow one, and desert varnish takes considerable time
to develop. It can be generalized, that if the varnish on a glyph is as dark as its
surrounding undisturbed surface, then the glyph is significantly old. One could easily tell
if a glyph was recent because, it would clearly stand out as very light against a dark
background. Methods involving observations of patination are most useful when
restricted to individual rock art panels on a single geologic formation. Differential
patination can be seen at Newspaper Rock in Utah where heavily patinated figures from
Desert Archaic and Anasazi are in direct contrast with the more recent and lightly
patinated Ute petroglyphs.
Style or Design
The style or design can sometimes be used to describe, date, compare, and interpret
rock art. There are various styles such as Desert Archaic, Barrier Canyon, Anasazi,
Fremont, and Tsegi painted styles as well as Ute and historic Indians of the Colorado
Plateau.
Styles are convenient categories that at some sites are highly reliable indicators of the
source and age of the petroglyphs. However, sometimes a single culture may utilize
more than one art style at a given time.
Lichenometry
Studying lichens (common plants consisting of an algae and a fungus living together)
which form a scaly adherence on rock surfaces helps us to date rock art. Lichenometry,
the study of lichen cover patterns, colonization, and growth, are based on the slow rate of
lichen’s unexposed surfaces and the long life expectancy of their colonies. In certain
habitats, lichens may reach their final size only after several thousand years.
Lichenometry can help tell us if a particular piece of rock art is hundreds of years old. A
modern hoaxed glyph would have no lichen growth. Some archaeologists say that if a
petroglyph has lichens within the markings, the glyph is probably at least 600 years old.
Weathering
Erosion of the exposed rock carving by wind and water wears the surface of a drawing
and gives it a pockmarked appearance. A newer glyph has a bright, fresh appearance.
The degree of weathering provides a clue to the age, and the weathering factor is
considered impossible to fake.
Petroglyphs have to be examined with considerable care. The time required for
weather to obliterate a petroglyph depends on the kind of rock on which it is placed,
depth of the cut of the figures, and the rock exposure to the elements. Weathering is not
conclusive in pinning a glyph to a precise age, but is comparative in that Pre-Columbian
and historic rock art can be distinguished in most all cases
 
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I guess the unknown author must be right and every palaeontologist wrong eh? Carbon dating all wrong? Every geologist wrong? You simply want to believe it. No other reason. :confused:
 
I guess the unknown author must be right and every palaeontologist wrong eh? Carbon dating all wrong? Every geologist wrong? You simply want to believe it. No other reason. :confused:

silly boy. If you'd bothered to read it they used carbon dating to date pollen from the carvings giving them an estimated date of the carvings :rolleyes:
the carbon dating backs up the age of the carvings so does the erosion.

In stead of silly comments can you offer a sensible argument.

Go for a ride on your bike hopefully youll bump it to a friendly bus driver.
 
Not as silly as someone that tries to prove the whole of science wrong by posting daft posts by unknown authors. You'd make a good religious zealot - they use the same tactic. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
 
Not as silly as someone that tries to prove the whole of science wrong by posting daft posts by unknown authors. You'd make a good religious zealot - they use the same tactic. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

an emotive response backed up by what ?

Get on that bike
 
The whole history of science. Layers upon layers of datable rock - which tell the story of history. How can it all be wrong?
 
If you believe crap like that then there is little we can do to convince you.
 
@gasbanni you should read Forbidden Archelology by Michael A. Cremo. Its an interesting read. It also shows how science or scientist isn't/aren't as objective as they like to make out. Some things are ignored simply just because they don't fit with current theories.

Not saying who is right one way or the other but science doesn't know everything.

And before I get called a religious nut or whatever religions know nothing. With a few possible exceptions from the east.
 
Pick up a copy of The Weekly World news while you're at it. Apparently the Mayans had contact with aliens and made landing pads for space craft. The evidence is overwhelming, it says.
 
Pick up a copy of The Weekly World news while you're at it. Apparently the Mayans had contact with aliens and made landing pads for space craft. The evidence is overwhelming, it says.

Not for me, I'll stick to the BBC thanks.
 
The whole history of science. Layers upon layers of datable rock - which tell the story of history. How can it all be wrong?

http://tasc-creationscience.org/content/ooparts-out-place-artifacts-0


Easily, emperors clothes syndrome. peer pressure and fear of being different.

The parts out of place artifacts thing is new to me, just as there are fakes trying to prove evolution and fakes parts out of place trying to prove creation
.

The quantity of articles found from around the globe deemed genuine by archeologists which seem to suggest that ancient man had observed dinosaurs because of some of the details shown raises questions.
Some of these artifacts fly in the face of current theories.

Maybe the theories need re ~evaluating. The unknow writer bit by me which you jumped on with glee was only that I hadnt looked it up !!! not that the piece didnt have an author !
 
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