how to get rid of my builder

If there was no contract then you cannot be in breach of it... but then neither can he.

As already mentioned it will help everyone if you show us the original list of work that was agreed. You need to know what the builders price actually covers first and foremost. You do not seem to be very clear on this so far.

Then we will be able to see where something was not included, and thus a necessary addition to the price. If something was clearly not included, but was needed then it is legitimate for him to ask to be paid for this, whether originally quoted for or not, because you would have needed this in any case.

The same happens if you ask him to make a change whilst he is busy working.... for instance, if you decide you want a light switch in a different spot or if you decide that you want to add an extra rooflight. Now, if you can prove he made a mistake and put something in the wrong spot then the cost lies with the builder - but as it sounds like you have no drawings then it sounds like you do not have this proof.

It sounds like this project has been a victim of severe lack of paperwork. He says that you have asked for additional items, but it is likely that if this occurred, then this happened through conversations on site and not through written instruction. If this is true then it means he has no proof that you ever authorised additional work, and so he completed it of his own accord.

You need to be clear though, that just because you supply a builder with some materials that is not to say that the work costs you nothing extra. You need to be aware that builders charge you for the time it takes to carry out the work. So, for example, just because you may have provided blocks to make a wall, there would still be a charge on that wall. He still has to make it - and provide all ancillary components that you may not have provided - such as mortar, plasterboard, adhesives, tapes etc.


Anyway, the point still stands, show us your paperwork.
 
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Luis makes a very good point that without detailed original paperwork there is nothing to prove what is in or out of the original estimate either, nor what 'extras' requested by you and those he has done without instruction.

Regarding contracts, possibility of lawsuits, etc, you should be talking to the CAB or to a solicitor than on the internet.

If I were in your shoes, one thing is for certain, I would not pay this individual a penny more until the work was completed to an acceptible standard and you have all the necessary certificates.

Unless staged payments were agreed, it is reasonable to pay for the work on completion. If the builder will not return without further payment, be clear in writing (recorded letter) that you will be instructing an alternative firm to complete the works and that the builder will receive no further payments and you will consider your contract void. (Then as previously suggested, get someone independent to survey the state of the place before continuing with a different firm).
 

This is the inside of the socket and yes if i put a bulb it will work

If this was done by a competent qualified electrician taking reasonable care I'll eat my hat!

It bears the big question of what the other electrical installation work is like, do you have any electrical certificates?
The law in England and Wales requires all electrical work (in domestic dwellings): "P1 Reasonable provision shall be made in the design and installation of electrical installations in order to protect persons operating, maintaining or altering the installations from fire or injury."

One method of compliance with this is to ensure the installtion complies with BS7671:2008 (AKA IET wiring regulations). They can choose to not comply with this but then it is up to them to show how they comply with P1.

The law also requires electrical works to be notified to building control (unless on the list of non-notifiable items), a hallway light is likely non-notifiable however it still must comply with P1.
Leaving switches hanging off walls with accessible live parts and disconnected protective conductors doesn't, to any stretch of the imagination, comply with the P1. The cable is also looking a bit big to me (not that this is a major issue, just an observation)
There is an item regarding part p here: //www.diynot.com/wiki/electrics:diy-electrical-work-and-the-law

As a sidenote I believe the building regulations are to be updated around April 2013 hence some of the above may change, but is currently current!!

If you want to ask any questions regarding electrical work then it is better to ask here : Electrics UK as a lot more sparks will see it, not many venture over to this part of the forum!!
 
I am going to write to him telling hiim of all the faults we found and the work not up to the standard. But the problem is that we cannot ask him to fix it because he was clear on the phone, he won'tt fix anything unless he gets the money.
We do not have certificate for the electricity, as i said before unless we give him more money he is not even prepared to discuss the situation.
We still do have have the separate fuse box for the extension and we have very often power surge which can be scary.

If we write to him, can he sue us for not paying?

I am uploading part of the estimate, the rest will follow.

Could anyone tell me what they think of the roof?




 
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If you want an opinion from someone who does roofing it may be better to ask in the roofing forum, I can say it doesn't look that nice but I don't really know my knee from my elbow with roofing!

As opposed to writing to him directly firstly seek advice from CAB, you don't want to put your foot in it.
 
If you want an opinion from someone who does roofing it may be better to ask in the roofing forum, I can say it doesn't look that nice but I don't really know my knee from my elbow with roofing!

As opposed to writing to him directly firstly seek advice from CAB, you don't want to put your foot in it.

CAB hasn't reallt been helpful, all they said was to write to him and ask him to put things right which we are going to do stating all the defects. Thanks to everybody here I have a clearer idea especially for the window and the electricity.
 
Paper work or not, if someone is doing work for another person, then a contact exists. If there are no specific terms, or terms are not clear then they will be implied into the contact - normally in favour of the customer
 
Paper work or not, if someone is doing work for another person, then a contact exists. If there are no specific terms, or terms are not clear then they will be implied into the contact - normally in favour of the customer

What do you mean when you say in favour of the customer?
 
The terms look pretty specific from the attached document in what the builder was intending to do for the price woody. If the estimate continues like this then the builder may well be right to be asking for the extra works to be paid for. Note : I'm not commenting on the rightness or wrongness of this, nor his pricing nor his quality of work.

Gnougnoume, can you upload the rest of the estimate please?

The firm has referred to 'making good' on pieces of work which they clearly haven't done despite you having paid them for specific pieces of the work listed.

If you've been to CAB then go and pay for an hour with a solicitor. Nothing we or say here will help you much if the builder is simply refusing to continue working unless he gets paid. You need to peruse this through legal channels to either get him to finish the job, or to quit the job,
 
Can you post a copy of the drawings too as they form part of the quote, for example if the drawing shows the ventilation in the shower room, they can't really expect to charge extra for it.

It's difficult to pick things out and I'm sure someone more knowledgeable will be along to comment but they seem to be expecting to charge extra for things that they quoted for even though they could have quoted correctly in the first place. For example, they quoted 2100 for fitting the new boiler, but then seem to say that the boiler cost them 420 more than expected, they could have verified the cost of the combi at the time of the quote so in my view can't expect you to pay more.

The 17 point list, what is the title of it, how was it described in the email or whatever it arrived in? It would be helpful if you could point out the number which you know yourself are extras so they can be eliminated, for example 16 is about extra insulation requested by yourself, presumably over and above building regs and in addition to the original quote?


Also, it's unclear what the relationships are here, I assume you contracted the surveyor who sub contracted the builders? Who did you pay the 20k to, who has asked for the extra 7k? If the surveyor is running the project, is he aware of the poor quality of the work?
 
Can you post a copy of the drawings too as they form part of the quote, for example if the drawing shows the ventilation in the shower room, they can't really expect to charge extra for it.

It's difficult to pick things out and I'm sure someone more knowledgeable will be along to comment but they seem to be expecting to charge extra for things that they quoted for even though they could have quoted correctly in the first place. For example, they quoted 2100 for fitting the new boiler, but then seem to say that the boiler cost them 420 more than expected, they could have verified the cost of the combi at the time of the quote so in my view can't expect you to pay more.

The 17 point list, what is the title of it, how was it described in the email or whatever it arrived in? It would be helpful if you could point out the number which you know yourself are extras so they can be eliminated, for example 16 is about extra insulation requested by yourself, presumably over and above building regs and in addition to the original quote?


Also, it's unclear what the relationships are here, I assume you contracted the surveyor who sub contracted the builders? Who did you pay the 20k to, who has asked for the extra 7k?


He never did any drawings, all we submitted was the plan to the council.
We [aid the contractor £20 and he had his own builders.
For the extra insulation in the ceiling we did ask if we could have more, and he said yes no problems I have an extra bag I can do it for free.
Yes He did number 17, but we never agreed on it because for us it was part of the extension and because he never drew any plans.

We think 1 and 2 are out of order because he did not do any extra excavations at all.
Number 3 and 5 had to be done.
Number 4: he knew we had concrete floor
NUmber 6 was part of the original quote (number 12)

Number 7: we don't know what is is
Number 8: we agree more or less but wireless was never fitted and the radiators are not all working

Number 9: He agreed to do it but never said we would have to pay

10-11-12-13 never told us we would have to pay

14: we never talked about paying to have it fitted

15: we never agreed on the price and he did not alter roof joist.
Also it is the BC guy who said that by law we had to put parapets because of the windows. As a surveyor our contractor should have known this.

and as from the original quote:

6 to 10 is not completed: and is electricity safe?
11: he wants to leave it as it is
12: no base units, varnishing, tilings, cladding,only one light ,no decorations,no canopy, paintings
 

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