I thought that we were all equal?

[JBR]

I don't think I mentioned 2050.

You may not have but that was the 'scare'.
Namely: that the population of the UK, Europe and the US would be 50% muslim by 2050.

The muslim population of the whole world is irrelevant. I'm talking about the potential muslim population of the UK.

As I pointed out, the muslim population of the world would have to increase by a factor of more than three to achieve 50%.
In the UK the figure required is a twenty-fold increase and
in the US a 107-fold increase (not to mention the mass Hispanic immigration).

I think you are failing to take into account my 2nd, 4th and 5th points above.

The only figures I can find state that 1.8% of the population of Saudi Arabia are Hindu, Buddhist and Sikhs (no figure for Christians or atheists) but I think it fair to assume that the percentage of the population who are NOT muslim will be about the same as the converse here.
Are they going to attain 50% in thirty six years?

I think you are including 'guest workers' (who are there because the Saudis are incapable of running their country on their own!). Any religion other than islam is illegal for the indigenous Saudis.

 

[JBR]

If your second language was german then where would you head for if wanting a better standard of living?

Speaking personally, Germany.

 

[EFLImpudence]

I think you are failing to take into account my 2nd, 4th and 5th points above.

I did comment in the previous post but don't know how to include the figures.

I think you are including 'guest workers' (who are there because the Saudis are incapable of running their country on their own!). Any religion other than islam is illegal for the indigenous Saudis.

Probably.

So is it impossible to work out then?
Therefore the proposed scare figures must also be.

 

[JBR]

I think you are failing to take into account my 2nd, 4th and 5th points above.

I did comment in the previous post but don't know how to include the figures.

I think you are including 'guest workers' (who are there because the Saudis are incapable of running their country on their own!). Any religion other than islam is illegal for the indigenous Saudis.

Probably.

So is it impossible to work out then?
Therefore the proposed scare figures must also be.

I would concede that all the figures in this thread are necessarily conjectural. The only way we can be sure, either way, is to live for another century or so. I don't know about you, but I'm afraid I'm unlikely to be there!

 

[pred]

I'm puzzled by the mathematics.

If muslims in Britain, as predicted, are going to reach 50%, does that mean the population will then be 130 million or are they going to convert half of the present inhabitants?

The same applies in the US where, at the moment, they only number 0.8% of 312 million.
There are already more than enough other religious nutters in the US.

If we are only having one child instead on 2.2 then if we now account for say 50 million of the UK population the next generation of the indigenous race will only be 25million.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Remember I am talking about the scare story which says this would happen by 2050.

If we are only having one child instead on 2.2 then if we now account for say 50 million of the UK population the next generation of the indigenous race will only be 25million.

I don't think the figure is as low as 1 (was it 1.8?) but anyway, taking your worst case figures:

People live on average for three generations.
So only a third of the 50 million, ~8m couples, will be having 8m children instead of 16m.
~8m born, ~16m died.

Therefore in one generation, 25 years, the 50m could reduce to 42m; in 36 years to 38m.

However, there are here frequent complaints that we are also being overrun with Christian - Catholic -immigrants.
Do we, after all, perhaps need them?

 

[ellal]

If your second language was german then where would you head for if wanting a better standard of living?

Speaking personally, Germany.

Hence the much larger immigration of Turks to Germany than Turks to the UK...

And what about French speaking immigrants from North Africa?

That's right, they're mainly in France!

We mainly get immigrants from the areas we 'conquered' and introduced English as the universal language.

Along with of course from the war zones we have helped create/sustain!

It really is that simple

 

[JBR]

Good points, Ella.

Mind you, I had no idea that we had ever conquered Romania, Bulgaria and Poland.

 

[jockscott]

Good points, Ella.

Mind you, I had no idea that we had ever conquered Romania, Bulgaria and Poland.

Ahh, but we fought the Germans there during WW2. (reason enough for them to want to come here)

 

[EFLImpudence]

It would be somewhat limiting to learn Hungarian, wouldn't it?

 

[JBR]

Good points, Ella.

Mind you, I had no idea that we had ever conquered Romania, Bulgaria and Poland.

Ahh, but we fought the Germans there during WW2. (reason enough for them to want to come here)

I thought the Russians took care of that side of Europe.

So why don't the Romanians, Bulgarians and Poles want to emigrate to Russia?

 

[Whitespirit66]

Good points, Ella.

Mind you, I had no idea that we had ever conquered Romania, Bulgaria and Poland.

Yes, by Elly's twisted logic, the people from the above countries should be flocking to Russia, as they were taught Russian as a second language.

Maybe he'll blame the Brits for letting them be swallowed up by the Soviet Union after WW2.

 

[Gasman28]

If your second language was german then where would you head for if wanting a better standard of living?

Speaking personally, Germany.

Hence the much larger immigration of Turks to Germany than Turks to the UK...

And what about French speaking immigrants from North Africa?

That's right, they're mainly in France!

We mainly get immigrants from the areas we 'conquered' and introduced English as the universal language.


Along with of course from the war zones we have helped create/sustain!

It really is that simple

So, in your simple logic, would you let anyone in to OUR country?

 

[big-all]

to be honest this argument is academic
no one group will ever force there will on the uk for several reasons

if you accept some will integrate
some will take on more western values with each generation relaxing on there roots
this along with the fact the whole world it changing and the uk may become a 3rd world country in the next 30 or 40 years
there may be mass migration to bulgaria as the new up and coming economy with alvedezane pet but brits to bulgaria instead

when we actually seem to produce very little with anything important owned by other countries
the ressesion has hardly started yet with the race to the bottom with wages paid by large international companies subsidized by the tax payer

in other words this country is becoming less and less attractive and immigration will tailor off and migration to other better economies doing better around the word will happen within the next 10 or so years

 

[JBR]

to be honest this argument is academic
no one group will ever force there will on the uk for several reasons

if you accept some will integrate
some will take on more western values with each generation relaxing on there roots
this along with the fact the whole world it changing and the uk may become a 3rd world country in the next 30 or 40 years
there may be mass migration to bulgaria as the new up and coming economy with alvedezane pet but brits to bulgaria instead

when we actually seem to produce very little with anything important owned by other countries
the ressesion has hardly started yet with the race to the bottom with wages paid by large international companies subsidized by the tax payer

in other words this country is becoming less and less attractive and immigration will tailor off and migration to other better economies doing better around the word will happen within the next 10 or so years

You're quite right that the fortunes of many countries have waxed and waned over the centuries. The Persian empire, Egypt, Greece, the Roman Empire, the British Empire - and look at those countries now: Iran, Egypt, Greece, Italy... and Britain!

Currently, the up and coming countries are Germany, Japan and, perhaps most importantly, China. Even the great USA is showing signs of losing it's financial clout.

I'm too old now but, if I were younger and looking for somewhere else to live, I think I could do much worse than choose Australia.