Idiot Trump vs. Intelligence

[JohnD]

"President Donald Trump revealed highly classified information about so-called Islamic State (IS) to Russia's foreign minister, US media report.

The information, related to the use of laptops on aircraft, came from a partner of the US which had not given permission for it to be shared with Russia, says the Washington Post."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39931012

"The intelligence disclosed came from a US ally and was considered too sensitive to share with other US allies, the papers report.

Others present realised the mistake and scrambled to "contain the damage" by informing the CIA and the National Security Agency (NSA), says the Post."

Let me think, do we know a Western nation that has a good overseas Intelligence network and shares information with the US on a nobody-else-to-know basis?

"Then there is the question of whether US allies will be more reluctant to share sensitive intelligence information with the US, lest the president put sources at risk.

This will only stoke accusations by Trump critics that the president is undisciplined and inexperienced in the delicacies of foreign policy, where his shoot-from-the hip style presents an ongoing danger."

 

[noseall]

He's a global liability. Wouldn't surprise me if there is another Lee Harvey Oswald out there except this time he will likely wear a uniform and be paid by patriots.

 

[JohnD]

update, same link

"In a conversation with the Russian foreign minister and Russian Ambassador Sergei Kislyak in the Oval Office, the president revealed details that could lead to the exposure of a source of information, officials told the Washington Post and the New York Times.

The discussion was about an IS plot. The president reportedly went "off-script", revealing specifics of the plot, thought to centre on the use of laptop computers on aircraft, and the city from which that threat had been detected."

"Speaking to the BBC, reporter Greg Jaffe said the Post's story made it clear the president did not disclose sources or methods.

But he added: "Our story says that the nature of the information provided would have allowed the Russians to 'reverse engineer' to discover the sources and methods. He said so much that they could figure it out.""

 

[JohnD]

"The White House isn’t denying that Trump gave Russia classified information — not really"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-not-really/?tid=sm_fb&utm_term=.422350fda13d

 

[JohnD]

British taxpayers may have an opinion on this.



"Despite the denials issued by the White House that any actual intelligence sources were revealed to the Russians, whatever was said in that Oval Office meeting was enough to alarm certain officials and, reportedly, to alert the CIA and NSA.

They in turn will have needed to warn the country that supplied the intelligence. There is a golden rule in the world of espionage that when one government supplies intelligence to another it must not be passed on to a third party without permission of the original supplier. The reason is simple: it could put the lives of their human informants at risk."

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

It gets worse John. It obviously really happened. It is not fake news:

President Trump defends "right" to share secrets after reports he dislcosed classified information to Russians

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39937258

 

[Judy in the sky]

Are you both saying the West should not share information about terrorism with anyone? Hmmm let's go and think about that for a while shall we? (just remember this is information about one of the bigger threats to world security and safety,,,,, Islamic State. )

 

[JohnD]

Poor old Judy needs to carry on with the Adult Literacy classes.

must not be passed on to a third party without permission of the original supplier. The reason is simple: it could put the lives of their human informants at risk."

Hey, Judy, can I tell everyone about your cake?

sure you can

Hey, Judy, can I tell everyone you have a sack of gold sovereigns in the boot of your car, and the lock's broken?

No.

Can I tell Scarface Al that it was you who informed the police about Fat Tony's heroin factory?

Not until I've had time to leave the neighbourhood.

 

[JohnD]

An example of intelligence sharing that stopped after it was abused...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/19/balkans.warcrimes

 

[Judy in the sky]

Poor old Judy needs to carry on with the Adult Literacy classes.

Sorry Johnnyboy,, I forgot you have to defend the one true faith at every opportunity (Islamic State)

 

[JohnD]

have you been down the pub again?

What do you imagine your religion has to do with the concept of confidentiality?

Let's suppose there is a British secret agent working as a freight loader at Baghdad airport.

Let's suppose Trump bragged to his Russian chum "...and the British tell us that twelve blue plastic containers of explosive were loaded last Wednesday at Baghdad Airport".

Do you suppose the British agent's security is unaffected?

Are you unable to grasp the idea "We're telling you this in the strictest confidence, don't pass this information on to anybody else".

 

[noseall]

Sorry Johnnyboy,, I forgot you have to defend the one true faith at every opportunity (Islamic State)

You say some stupid things.

 

[Judy in the sky]

Let's suppose there is a British secret agent working as a freight loader at Baghdad airport.

Let's suppose Trump bragged to his Russian chum "...and the British tell us that twelve blue plastic containers of explosive were loaded last Wednesday at Baghdad Airport".

Do you suppose the British agent's security is unaffected?

Are you unable to grasp the idea "We're telling you this in the strictest confidence, don't pass this information on to anybody else".

You'd seriously place the safety of an informant , above the safety of a whole aircraft full of people (and before you start, no one has said it's a British agent getting intelligence on the ground.) Do you think the Russians just don't give a damn about airline safety? Christ sake, go put on those rose tinted glasses you wear Johnnyboy. I'm sure the world will be a safer place without intelligence sharing. While we're on the subject, perhaps the EU could send us a few more terrorists. I'm sure that would make you very happy.

What do you imagine your religion has to do with the concept of confidentiality?

Probably more than your adopted religion Johnnyboy.

Hey Nosey, I see you leap to Johnnyboy's defence at every opportunity too. Have you adopted some mediaeval religion too ? (oh yes I forgot,, you have)

 

[JohnD]

I wonder what religion Judy espouses?

I can just see him singing "Somer is i'cumen in" as he dances round in a circle, wearing his rabbit mask.

 

[noseall]

Have you adopted some mediaeval religion too ? (oh yes I forgot,, you have)

Remind me.