I'm thinking of training.....

Its a tough one. I was same as you ten years or do ago did plenty of bathrooms worked on heating systems etc.
I went the college route 3 years most of it was basic stuff. Whilst at college i built a gas portfolio up which qualified me to take my acs.
Ten years on.......
I earn more money on bathrooms.
 
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I 'minded' someone who had undertaken one of these courses, must be 6 or 7 years ago. Anyway he earns a lot more doing full bathroom refurbs, he has let his Gas Safe expire, and he now has an apprentice plumber who is on day release at the local college.
People will pay really good money for somewhere nice and comfortable to have a dump, than pay good money to keep warm and have lots of hot water.
 
Jon, would you mind me asking what your expectation of a "real money" is?
Around 40k net, Fireman, any more would be great. That said I hear of gas men on 80-90k and to be honest most of the ones I get in are vat registered. I don't want to be away from home all hours though.
 
Around 40k net, Fireman, any more would be great. That said I hear of gas men on 80-90k and to be honest most of the ones I get in are vat registered. I don't want to be away from home all hours though.
Mmmmmm your hoping a bit aint you
 
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i mean , you will find you yourself spending more time at work than home when first starting , especially 80-90k ;)
 
You guys are kind of convincing me to head full on with the bathroom crack! I do a few in between other bits and bobs but hearing you lot I am seriously thinking going full steam :rolleyes: ahead and start advertising as a bathroom fitter. To be honest , believe it or not, i've been ticking over all these years on word of mouth and what ave you, never had to advertised.
That could be the route, advertise, get more bathroom jobs, the odd kitchen.... bobs your uncle, make a bit more cash. To pay for all the trainers and school trips . . . Milan! The farthest we got was the Isle of Wight and that's pretty far from Salford!

Anyway, went to see a realistic training company today, £5k+ and around 8 months for Acs.
 
Being VAT registered is only an indication of turnover. Earning £40K is obviously achievable, but overheads are high, especially initially. I would say that most guys would struggle to go straight into SE, and most employed jobs pay well less than £40K.
NG wll pay over £50K, but they put hours in. I declined a job with a HES, they offer IIRC £34K basic with OTE £42K, but that is with shifts and weekends.

Do a realistic business plan before shelling out loads of cash - there is a steep low earning learning curve and, frankly, once much over 50, age begins to tell. Having said all that, if you choose your jobs carefully, and have the neck to charge a high rate, you can earn. But remember, £40k over 46 5 day weeks (remember you need holidays and bank hols, and hope to hell you don't go sick.), is a PROFIT of £174 per day, EVERY day, after expenses, some of which you will not have even thought about. To earn £80K, is a profit of £348 per day (£43.50 per hour). I am not saying that NO RGI earns that, but not many - and I would say you need to be selling stuff at a mark up to manage it.

But good luck, and be ready for CC and CCC criticism here. When you get qualified, sign up to the Combustion Chamber, where they will rip into you, but you will find a wealth of info.
 
I think it's Pimlico plumbers that say their plumbers earn 80K, but you're treated as SE, even though you have to wear their uniform, lease a van off of them, and pay your own stamps etc, and basically, doff your hat to Charlie when he passes by.

Having said that, I know a lot of gas fitters that are on about 50K; they'll charge about £200 for a long morning, and then a bit more in the afternoon, but they'll also do 49 weeks a year, and sometimes 5.5 days, but at 50, you start to slow down. £200 (and more) a day for fitting a bathroom is achievable if it's lost in the quote, and if you've got a good apprentice, then you'll be earning more on him than you pay actually him, so why spend £8K on training and equipment, if you don't have to - and that's not taking into account the money lost on the days that you're training for the Gas.
 
The Gas Industry is on its knees with the Course Cowboys & Career Change Chancers. Awash with ex-milkmen & squadies, they're a joke!! Gawd help the poor unsuspecting British Public.

Banksmen & Labourers on sites are making more.
 
Nothing unusual about businesses trying to evade responsibility for their workers, in this country of overseas. Usually an attempt to avoid NI, or tax, or holiday pay, or sickness, or redundancy, or minimum pay, or all of the above. It's hardly the fault of the news media for reporting on court cases.

For example HMRC says:

Running a business
You’re probably self-employed if you:

  • run your business for yourself and take responsibility for its success or failure
  • have several customers at the same time
  • can decide how, where and when you do your work
  • can hire other people at your own expense to help you or to do the work for you
  • provide the main items of equipment to do your work
  • are responsible for finishing any unsatisfactory work in your own time
  • charge an agreed fixed price for your work
  • sell goods or services to make a profit
Do you think an Uber driver is self employed? Or a programmer who's spent ten years working in a NatWest office? Or a tractor driver who works 50 weeks a year for one farm?

http://uk.businessinsider.com/briti...ay-pay-lodon-tribunal-rules-2016-10?r=US&IR=T

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17671...-hmrc-investigation-into-low-pay-allegations/
 
FFS JD!! It's a bit different, a sweaty Taxi Driver & highly trained Plumbers!!

Never seen anything on ITV about my mate Chas??!!
 
It's a bit different, a sweaty Taxi Driver & highly trained Plumbers

No difference I'm afraid Puller; both Uber and Pimlico Plumbers maintain the people who work for them are self employed, but are treated and regulated like employees. As ever, the threads deviated from the OPs question.
 
I assume the £40k net means a taxable profit from the business after deducting all the allowable deductions.

As explained many employed gas reg people are on taxable salaries of less than that.

Whilst there are many, including those working for Pimlico, who can earn more that £40k that will involve a lot of overtime and unsocial hours.

Amusingly perhaps, I would expect a good bathroom fitter with a good reputation to be able to easily earn more than £40 k ! Expressed as a day rate that could be a little less than £300.
 

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