Immigration is the cure for racism

Winstonchurchill said:
joe-90 said:
BTW. Hermes is a troll. He's deliberately starting topics known to cause friction.




joe

A little bit of the pan calling the kettle black here I think :rolleyes:
I have just read through some of your past posts. You have started and contributed to several controversial topics that appear to have caused immense friction and distress to people on this forum. Many here may also consider you to be a troll too


I wouldn't argue with that. Set a thief to catch a thief.


joe
 
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Slogger said:
COS WE ARE ALL RACIST if that word actually exists ( i dont think it does )
You can get these big books, with lots of words listed in them.

They are called "dictionaries".

You'll find that word near the start of the section that comes after 'Q' and before 'S'.
 
Winstonchurchill said:
Many here may also consider you to be a troll too
Actually Wc, joe-90 can't be termed a troll until he reaches his 14th birthday :evil:
 
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I'm not wanting to rub anyone's fur the wrong way, but I have a fundamental problem with the whole issue of racism.

And the problem is not that I'm pro or anti racism, the problem is that something just quite doesn't fit here. Lemme explain...

I've never met anyone who didn't make up his own mind for himself based on our actual personal experiences. We're all wired that way. We listen to what others might say about certain people or groups of people with an open mind, but fundamentally, we don't make up our minds until we have personal experience to base our opinions on.

When we here in North America were deluged with propoganda about the Communists wanting to take over our world, all of us felt the need for vigilence, but none of us "hated" any communists because we didn't have any actual personal experience with a communist on which to base that opinion about them on. Deep down, all of us felt that them commies were people just like we were, and that their brains were wired just like ours, and if we understood what exactly their objectives were we could work out a way to co-exist with them without having to give up our freedom. So, when Gorbachev struck up the Perestroika band, 300 million North Americans all exhaled a breath of relief. We were not "surprised" that they "had changed", instead we were relieved to know that we were correct in presuming that these commies were logical and rational just like we were, they were just doing things differently because their circumstances were different than ours. But, they were still using the same rules of logic to determine what to do based on their circumstances as we would in our circumstances.

And, there-in lies my point.

When we hear something bad about someone, we listen but reserve opinion until we have personal experience to corroborate or refute that allegation. And we all do that. None of us will passionately hate anything without personal experience as an underlying basis for that hate.

So, when I hear that the Americans in the Southern USA are "prejudice" against the blacks living there, what am I to believe?

If I accept that they are in fact prejudice, then I have to somehow come to grips with the idea that millions of people who think just like me somehow learned to dislike or despise another race of people strictly on what they heard or read in books about them. That they all developed these strong and nearly unshakable opinions WITHOUT any personal experience of their own to go on.
I find that nearly impossible for me to believe. We humans simply aren't wired that way. We listen and learn, but reserve judgement until we see with our own eyes.

If I am correct in presuming that none of us can be "convinced" to hate anyone else through logic and reason and heresay and news reports and propoganda, then the only way there could be prejudice in Mississippi and Alabama is if millions of people living in the South all came to the same conclusions independantly based on their own personal experiences.

So, the fundamental problem I have with the whole issue of racism is how it's possible to claim that a whole group of people are "racist" without also presuming that that entire group of people have brains that are wired differently than the rest of us. None of us would hate someone just based on what we heard or were told about them. We would all wait until we had personal experience to go on before forming a firm opinion. Why do we presume that the "racists" would not do the same?
 
Nestor_Kelebay said:
When we hear something bad about someone, we listen but reserve opinion until we have personal experience to corroborate or refute that allegation.
I don't think that's true. I have come across people who will quite easily form a judgement based on other peoples opinions. This is especially true of children. Do you believe that Hitler was evil? You have no personal experience of that man but I'm sure you have an opinion. What about serial killers? do you 'reserve opinion' on them? I expect you weigh up the information available to you and form an opinion based on that.

So, when I hear that the Americans in the Southern USA are "prejudice" against the blacks living there, what am I to believe?
Which Americans, all of them? some of them? Isn't there a history of institutional racism in the southern states. Where did you hear the information. Why not go and see for yourself?
 
Nestor_Kelebay said:
I've never met anyone who didn't make up his own mind for himself based on our actual personal experiences. We're all wired that way. We listen to what others might say about certain people or groups of people with an open mind, but fundamentally, we don't make up our minds until we have personal experience to base our opinions on.
I fundamentally disagree. The biggest problem, if there is such a thing, is that people are led by their prejudices. Why do you think the word "prejudice" exists, if not to describe the act of not reaching a rational conclusion based on personal experience? And how do you explain the thing I term "mob behaviour", where people embrace an emotion or a point of view just because it's the popular one and they don't want to look different?

Nestor_Kelebay said:
When we here in North America were deluged with propoganda about the Communists wanting to take over our world, all of us felt the need for vigilence, but none of us "hated" any communists because we didn't have any actual personal experience with a communist on which to base that opinion about them on.
Er, no. In Canada? Perhaps, I don't know. But to claim that nobody in the USA hated Commies until they met one? Preposterous.

Nestor_Kelebay said:
When we hear something bad about someone, we listen but reserve opinion until we have personal experience to corroborate or refute that allegation. And we all do that. None of us will passionately hate anything without personal experience as an underlying basis for that hate.
Not only a sweeping generalisation, and a claim of that your behaviour is consistent across all humanity, but, I have to say, this is absolute tripe.

Nestor_Kelebay said:
If I accept that they are in fact prejudice, then I have to somehow come to grips with the idea that millions of people who think just like me somehow learned to dislike or despise another race of people strictly on what they heard or read in books about them.
The point you're missing is that they don't think like you do.

Nestor_Kelebay said:
That they all developed these strong and nearly unshakable opinions WITHOUT any personal experience of their own to go on.
That is what particularly characterises a racist.

Nestor_Kelebay said:
I find that nearly impossible for me to believe. We humans simply aren't wired that way. We listen and learn, but reserve judgement until we see with our own eyes.
Then come to England. Attend a BNP rally. Or walk into an inner-city ghetto wearing a lillac boiler suit and carrying a briefcase. Then you'll see something that you'll wish your own eyes had not experienced.

Nestor_Kelebay said:
If I am correct in presuming that none of us can be "convinced" to hate anyone else through logic and reason and heresay and news reports and propoganda, then the only way there could be prejudice in Mississippi and Alabama is if millions of people living in the South all came to the same conclusions independantly based on their own personal experiences.

Nestor_Kelebay said:
So, the fundamental problem I have with the whole issue of racism is how it's possible to claim that a whole group of people are "racist" without also presuming that that entire group of people have brains that are wired differently than the rest of us.
Who, pray, and when, claimed that an entire group of people are racist?
 
Very interesting idea Nestor, but I agree with Hermes and Softus on this one. It appears that you underestimate the possibility that people can be indoctrinated. It happens time and time again all over the world inspite of people's better nature. People can and do make judgements about others without any contact with them. To take an extreme example, the hatred generated by the Nazis against the Jews was not borne out of individual personal experience but powerful propoganda and swept an entire nation of Germans.

I agree most people may have the potential to think and act as you say, but, unfortunately, I don't think they do. Maybe even in their heart of hearts if they look deeply enough they would view things differently but in reality most conform to the general norms of what most people around them think and do.
 
Some people believe in the ridiculous notion of 'God' - but how many have met him?




joe
 
I think we need to try an empathise with some of the genuine Refugees who come here an work in S***TY low paid jobs ...




When I read that name Nestor_Kelebay

why oh why does that guy in the Film "The Usual Suspects " Kaiser Soze spring to mind ..lol

an yes

joey webmong is a troll..lol
 
Moz said:
I think we need to try an empathise with some of the genuine Refugees who come here an work in S***TY low paid jobs ...




When I read that name Nestor_Kelebay

why oh why does that guy in the Film "The Usual Suspects " Kaiser Soze spring to mind ..lol

an yes

joey webmong is a troll..lol
???
its way past being emphatic with this lot

they are only here to take the p*** ask your self why they pass through germany and france to get here and u will realise they are here for the state handouts not safety, if they wanted to be safe why come here wtf is the matter with france or gemany ?????


and please no more swearing and cursing m8 its old and makes u look daft :LOL:
 
who said this

I fundamentally disagree. The biggest problem, if there is such a thing, is that people are led by their prejudices. Why do you think the word "prejudice" exists, if not to describe the act of not reaching a rational conclusion based on personal experience? And how do you explain the thing I term "mob behaviour", where people embrace an emotion or a point of view just because it's the popular one and they don't want to look different?


you say prejudice based on the above

therefore i am not prejedice or racist ( oh that word) cos i have actually been on the recieving end of illegal fugees in my area and every last one of them is up to no good

we have afghan gangs taxing ( taking cash with menaces ) local asian shop owners

we have refugees of what nation i havent a clue ( iraqi i think ) going around and being cheeky to people if they get told to go away ( f*** off) it goes on
there is also a car wash all of them are fugees working there apart from the owner and u actually see white folk getting there cars washed >>>? dont they realise they are giving cash to criminals

i know your not going to like this bit but i have a video footage of some asians actually have a go at a white bloke 6 v 1 he was going to lose big time till his m8s came and the numbers where reversed

guess who got arrested ??? no u guessed wrong the white bloke go carted away cos he was white

we want equality do we have to go to war to get it

BRING IT ON
 
Slogger said:
who said this

I fundamentally disagree. The biggest problem, if there is such a thing, is that people are led by their prejudices. Why do you think the word "prejudice" exists, if not to describe the act of not reaching a rational conclusion based on personal experience? And how do you explain the thing I term "mob behaviour", where people embrace an emotion or a point of view just because it's the popular one and they don't want to look different?
I wrote it. In answer to this:

Nestor_Kelebay said:
I've never met anyone who didn't make up his own mind for himself based on our actual personal experiences. We're all wired that way. We listen to what others might say about certain people or groups of people with an open mind, but fundamentally, we don't make up our minds until we have personal experience to base our opinions on.

then said:
therefore i am not prejedice or racist
...and yet...

Slogger then said:
there is also a car wash all of them are fugees working there apart from the owner and u actually see white folk getting there cars washed >>>? dont they realise they are giving cash to criminals

finally said:
we want equality do we have to go to war to get it
Since you asked so nicely, the answer is "no".
 
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